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Hot dogs and national holidays.

Why?

Norway, Sweden, US, etc. all feature hotdogs on their national holidays, and while the Swiss cervelat is shorter and fatter, it's still basically a hot dog!

Just wondering.

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Re: Hot dogs and national holidays.

I'm not an expert in the sausage area but isn't a hot dog boiled, like a wienerli, while a cervelat is typically grilled?
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I'm not an expert in the sausage area but isn't a hot dog boiled, like a wienerli, while a cervelat is typically grilled?
Maybe they boil hot dogs here, but in the U.S. we tend to grill them. Unless feeding to toddlers, then they're usually boiled, chopped up and put in macaroni and cheese.

Americans also grill hot dogs (and burgers, etc.) on any holiday - not just Independence Day.
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Why?

Norway, Sweden, US, etc. all feature hotdogs on their national holidays, and while the Swiss cervelat is shorter and fatter, it's still basically a hot dog!

Just wondering.

Tom
Maybe it is because it is a National meat-based dish, and cheap enough to be enjoyed by all, rich or poor?

Back in the olden times, maybe SND was the only day employers had to give off. And if you had to throw a feast as well for your staff, a cheap filling and tasty meat dish hits the spot and meets the budget.

Even poor people who had to pay for their own feast could run to a sausage once a year.

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I'm not an expert in the sausage area but isn't a hot dog boiled, like a wienerli, while a cervelat is typically grilled?
We always grilled them, don't think that I had a boiled one until I came to Europe.

We grill wienerli as well, but they are hot-dogs anyway.

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We always grilled them, don't think that I had a boiled one until I came to Europe.

We grill wienerli as well, but they are hot-dodgs anyway.

Tom
I don't quite understand the difference between cervelat and wienerli - except for size and shape. We grill them all.
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Why?

Norway, Sweden, US, etc. all feature hotdogs on their national holidays, and while the Swiss cervelat is shorter and fatter, it's still basically a hot dog!

Just wondering.

Tom
I suspect its a practical thing. It's a summer festival, so you've got the grill/campfire. Sausage is a pretty space efficient meal on a grill, which makes a difference at a large gathering. Add to that the fact that hotdogs and cervelat are pre cooked, so you don't have to be as careful about keeping them cool before you cook them. You don't need cutlery or a plate (so less cleanup). And pretty much everyone will he happy with a hotdog/cervelat.
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Old 31.07.2017, 21:34
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Re: Hot dogs and national holidays.

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I don't quite understand the difference between cervelat and wienerli.
Other than sizes, cervalats are smoked, most weiners/weinerli/frankfurters/hotdogs not.

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Maybe it is because it is a National meat-based dish, and cheap enough to be enjoyed by all, rich or poor?

Back in the olden times, maybe SND was the only day employers had to give off. And if you had to throw a feast as well for your staff, a cheap filling and tasty meat dish hits the spot and meets the budget.

Even poor people who had to pay for their own feast could run to a sausage once a year.

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Ian
That's about the worst interpretation of history I've ever read.

First of all, SND is only a National holiday since 1994. Not much "olden times" for me, especially not in the combination you tend to make it.

Traditional days off were different from Kanton to Kanton, but certainly SND wasn't that "big" till rather recently. Christmas, Easter, THOSE were the big ones..

I'm fairly sure that in the 70s and 80s, all Swiss families could afford meat daily. Yes, sausages (not just Cervelat but also Bratwurst, Wienerli..) tend to be cheap, but saying "even poor people could afford them" is a total joke since meat basically has become cheaper than vegetables, especially if you look on the kcal you get.
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Other than sizes, cervalats are smoked, most weiners/weinerli/frankfurters/hotdogs not.

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Ah. Thank you!

I miss Hebrew National hot dogs. They were awesome. One thing that the US did better. Not worth moving back though.
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Back in the olden times, maybe SND was the only day employers had to give off. And if you had to throw a feast as well for your staff, a cheap filling and tasty meat dish hits the spot and meets the budget
In not so olden times the Swiss worked in the morning on 1st August. Not sure but I think shops were open until 4 p.m. Never heard of feasts for staff but maybe in the very very very olden times this was a custom.
I know that Mr Longbyt was, at that time, one of the few who had the whole Swiss National Day off as he worked for an American firm and they gave all their workers abroad the day off on the National Day of the country they were working in.

One of the biggest advantages of cervelas is that they are good grilled but if you cannot get the fire going, one can eat them cold! Occasionally fires are banned on 1st August anyway because of danger of them getting out of control! If you are hardy and hike with your kids in the pouring them this comes in useful too.
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Love cervalat salad!

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Why?

Norway, Sweden, US, etc. all feature hotdogs on their national holidays, and while the Swiss cervelat is shorter and fatter, it's still basically a hot dog!

Just wondering.

Tom
Add something to your horror list, we are going to celebrate it with "mici". Ask your daughter in law what this atrocious sausage dish means....

Is it a consolation that we're going to grill them?
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Add something to your horror list, we are going to celebrate it with "mici". Ask your daughter in law what this atrocious sausage dish means....

Is it a consolation that we're going to grill them?
Sounds pretty good! (From google).

I'm marinating pork for tacos al pastor. No sausage.
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That's about the worst interpretation of history I've ever read.

First of all, SND is only a National holiday since 1994. Not much "olden times" for me, especially not in the combination you tend to make it.

Traditional days off were different from Kanton to Kanton, but certainly SND wasn't that "big" till rather recently. Christmas, Easter, THOSE were the big ones..

I'm fairly sure that in the 70s and 80s, all Swiss families could afford meat daily. Yes, sausages (not just Cervelat but also Bratwurst, Wienerli..) tend to be cheap, but saying "even poor people could afford them" is a total joke since meat basically has become cheaper than vegetables, especially if you look on the kcal you get.

Not an interpretation... a postulation. Many ancient feast day dishes do have some founding in everyday luxury. eg. Xmas pud in UK, Sardines in Portugal, Turkey in USA. I admit I had no idea Swiss National Day was a modern idea!

I stand corrected.

(Please tell me which supermarket you go to where meat is cheaper than (pricey) vegetables!)

This probably means the hand of the Cervelat Makers Federation or equivalent was instrumental in the establishment of modern SND...

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Add something to your horror list, we are going to celebrate it with "mici". Ask your daughter in law what this atrocious sausage dish means....

Is it a consolation that we're going to grill them?
She's from Bacau, is it the same there?

How does it differ from cevapcici?

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She's from Bacau, is it the same there?

How does it differ from cevapcici?

Tom
I guess it's the same, but some people don't use lamb meat, just beef or they use fattier meat cuts, or just different proportions of types of meat. This can make a difference in taste, but not too big. It's different from cevapcici because it has a lot of more garlic and other condiments and it is more juicy than cevapcici. No, really, it is tastier, you should try once.
The only thing close to this taste was some Albanian "cevapcici" that I ate at some friends. Also better than cevapcici. We are older in the region so of course they took it from us, but they couldn't get the recipe right unfortunately...
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Why?

Norway, Sweden, US, etc. all feature hotdogs on their national holidays, and while the Swiss cervelat is shorter and fatter, it's still basically a hot dog!

Just wondering.

Tom
To call a Cervelat a hotdog should cost you the passport
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