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Old 19.08.2017, 16:54
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

I have found the trick to making restaurant grade pizza at home.

1) Buy the dough from Migros/Coop/Denner. You know, the rolled up ones in the wax paper. Don't bother making it yourself, what a time consuming hassle.

2) Slather with thin layer of tomato sauce. In worse case, just use tomato paste and sprinkle on dried oregano, or whatever Italian dried spices you have.

3) Put on your toppings, thinly sliced. Less is more, don't overdo it.

4) (Garlic) salt and pepper, you're done.

5) Crank up oven to maximum heat (500 degrees, with air circulation. Really, this is the trick. Actually, do this before step 1 so the oven is hot by the time the pizza is ready to go in).

6) Lay your pizza down on the hot backing tray in the oven (just slide it with the wax paper onto the tray. Careful not to burn your arm).

7) That's it. Watch it bubble. Once the kitchen is filled with the intense aroma of pizza, it's done. We are talking no more than 10 minutes.

8) Done. Slice and eat. Incredible.

9) Optional step if you have a gas grill: slide the pizza off the wax paper directly onto the hot pre-heated grill. Close the lid and let cook for about 3 minutes. This step makes the crust extra crispy and gives it those nice grill marks.

Start to finish: 30 minutes maximum.
There will be no leftovers.
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Old 19.08.2017, 16:58
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

Why would you buy store-bought crap to begin with? Just order from a decent pizzeria - cause yes, they CAN make decent pizza here - or make it yourself. I can't remember the last time I bought one of those Dr. Oetkers and similar.

Also, pepperoni - as in meat - in a pizza is a very American thing, I don't think I've ever seen a non-American order/eat that.
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cause yes, they CAN make decent pizza here
The OP isn't here.

Therefore I don't understand the point of this thread.
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Old 19.08.2017, 17:00
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

You've got two branches of Papa John's in Oxford. Problem solved.
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

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Therefore I don't understand the point of this thread.
Oh didn't realize.

Then again, do her threads ever make sense?
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Old 19.08.2017, 17:24
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

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The OP isn't here.

Therefore I don't understand the point of this thread.
Thank you for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
I was beginning to think I was the only one who couldn't see the point of this thread.
Aside from that why would anyone in their right mind buy any sort of pizza, frozen or otherwise, knowing that it was going to make them unwell?

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Also, pepperoni - as in meat - in a pizza is a very American thing, I don't think I've ever seen a non-American order/eat that.
Neither my husband nor my son are American and they both love pepperoni.
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Old 19.08.2017, 17:38
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Neither my husband nor my son are American and they both love pepperoni.
Not saying that others can't and don't, I simply know no one (around here), mainly cause it is not common in Switzerland (some form of salami pizza yes, but not pepperoni in particular). Then again my view was Switzerland-based and OP's pointless thread is not even about Switzerland, so whatever
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Old 19.08.2017, 18:19
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as for your kind 'save me from myself' offer of a pizza in Vevey, unless thats near Oxford I won't be able to make it. Thank you for the kind offer.
Girlfriend, it seems you have more choice than I do?!? Where's my invitation???



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Also, pepperoni - as in meat - in a pizza is a very American thing, I don't think I've ever seen a non-American order/eat that.
Really? You've never seen a non American put some sort of meat on their pizza? I don't think you're looking.


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Not saying that others can't and don't, I simply know no one (around here), mainly cause it is not common in Switzerland (some form of salami pizza yes, but not pepperoni in particular). Then again my view was Switzerland-based and OP's pointless thread is not even about Switzerland, so whatever
Sorry. But you are wrong about with the "we don't do that in Switzerland". Maybe YOU and your family/friend don't. But every pizza restaurant I've even been to in Switzerland had some sort of "diavolo" pizza with salami picante. And I don't think it's on the menu for all the foreigners.

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5) Crank up oven to maximum heat (500 degrees, with air circulation. Really, this is the trick. Actually, do this before step 1 so the oven is hot by the time the pizza is ready to go in).
I'm not even going to get into your recipe....

500 degree oven??? I have to plug in the kiln.
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

It's not possible to have an acceptable store-bought pizza. Two reasons:

1) The dough (this is the biggest reason - it has to be freshly made, factory dough is too 'cakey').

2) Your oven isn't a pizza oven.

The toppings are of no importance at all (of course, they have to meet some acceptable standards). It's all in the dough.

BTW, Dr Oetker isn't actually a real doctor...

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Old 19.08.2017, 19:10
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It's not possible to have an acceptable store-bought pizza. Two reasons:

1) The dough (this is the biggest reason - it has to be freshly made, factory dough is too 'cakey').

2) Your oven isn't a pizza oven.

The toppings are of no importance at all (of course, they have to meet some acceptable standards). It's all in the dough.
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I have found the trick to making restaurant grade pizza at home.

1) Buy the dough from Migros/Coop/Denner. You know, the rolled up ones in the wax paper. Don't bother making it yourself, what a time consuming hassle.

2) Slather with thin layer of tomato sauce. In worse case, just use tomato paste and sprinkle on dried oregano, or whatever Italian dried spices you have.

3) Put on your toppings, thinly sliced. Less is more, don't overdo it.

4) (Garlic) salt and pepper, you're done.

5) Crank up oven to maximum heat (500 degrees, with air circulation. Really, this is the trick. Actually, do this before step 1 so the oven is hot by the time the pizza is ready to go in).

6) Lay your pizza down on the hot backing tray in the oven (just slide it with the wax paper onto the tray. Careful not to burn your arm).

7) That's it. Watch it bubble. Once the kitchen is filled with the intense aroma of pizza, it's done. We are talking no more than 10 minutes.

8) Done. Slice and eat. Incredible.

9) Optional step if you have a gas grill: slide the pizza off the wax paper directly onto the hot pre-heated grill. Close the lid and let cook for about 3 minutes. This step makes the crust extra crispy and gives it those nice grill marks.

Start to finish: 30 minutes maximum.
There will be no leftovers.
I'll look into store bought dough, because it is the dough that lets these pizzas down. tbh though this has got to be a millions of dollars industry.. you'd think someone would be able to make a frozen pizza with acceptable dough.
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Old 19.08.2017, 19:19
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Old 19.08.2017, 19:21
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

alright, good fellas pepperoni pizza, unlike dr oetkers that you can get in ch, this one is a uk brand,

it was a bit like the film Mississippi River Sharks. You know its going to be bad but are pleasantly surprised its not too bad. The dough was bad, but not as bad as dr oetker. the toppings were mingy, I had to take half off one side and put it on the other. I don't feel good about myself after eating it too.. whats up with that
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Old 19.08.2017, 19:23
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2) Your oven isn't a pizza oven.
No, but my heavily modified gas grill with 25x50x6cm stone is.

(though it does need an hour or two of preheating )

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Old 19.08.2017, 19:27
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every pizza restaurant I've even been to in Switzerland had some sort of "diavolo" pizza with salami picante.
Salame picante and American pepperoni are totally different, particularly as pepperoni is mostly BEEF!

The (cooked) texture is closer to (cooked) 'nduja, which is what I use if I want something similar.

I've never seen 'nduja offered as a topping in a Swiss pizzeria.

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Old 19.08.2017, 19:28
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Neither my husband nor my son are American and they both love pepperoni.
Where do they find it in CH (or anywhere in Europe)?

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2) Your oven isn't a pizza oven.

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Mine is.
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Old 19.08.2017, 19:31
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

Pffftt. Unless you're baking your pizza directly on the hot stones inside your kachelofen, you're just playing at it.
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I'll look into store bought dough, because it is the dough that lets these pizzas down. tbh though this has got to be a millions of dollars industry.. you'd think someone would be able to make a frozen pizza with acceptable dough.
I don't think you can partially bake, then freeze a pizza. Pizzadough is more like Matzo than bread, but the moisture of the toppings interfere with the freezing/rebaking. Some of the aufbackbrot are pretty good, but that's a different kind of dough and there's no topping in/on them.

I've made pizzadough both with premix and from scratch using my breadmachine to prepare the dough - I can't remember the last time I used a mixer to make any kind of bread dough.
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Old 19.08.2017, 19:36
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

When I lived in UK, I was a meat feast with extra meat type of guy.

Then I came to Basel and discovered great Margarita. Simple as can be, but perfection.
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Re: Why can't they make a decent pizza.

Speaking of meat, one of the reasons i've bought the pepperoni pre made pizzas is because in the uk its also not really possible to find 'real' pepperoni, in ch I used to just snip pepper bacon on a margherita base pizza, so in order to try and relive that childhood pepperoni pizza memory, i've had to buy the pre-made ones...
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