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Oops! CHF10,000 dram of single malt whisky a fake

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...iness-41695774

Good on the hotel for getting it tested and refunding the money to the client.
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Old 02.11.2017, 13:56
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Re: Oops! CHF10,000 dram of single malt whisky a fake

And then they all went "Meh!" and gave it to the staff who drank the rest of the bottle out of cups...


Then the lab called: "Ahem" We made a mistake, it WAS the real deal."
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Give that it was labelled as being from Macallan and Talisker Distilleries Ltd which is a company of which nobody ever heard off and lacks any evidence that it ever existed, the hotel at first should never have bought this, just one or two phone calls to check should have prevented them from buying this bottle.

From a hotel that stacks over 2.500 different whisky's I'd expect more knowledge.
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Give that it was labelled as being from Macallan and Talisker Distilleries Ltd which is a company of which nobody ever heard off and lacks any evidence that it ever existed, the hotel at first should never have bought this, just one or two phone calls to check should have prevented them from buying this bottle.

From a hotel that stacks over 2.500 different whisky's I'd expect more knowledge.
Not quite so fast....

Talisker now owned by Diegeo, was sold by North of Scotland Bank to Donald McLellan in 1857. So the hotel may well have been knowledgable.


https://www.maltmadness.com/whisky/talisker.html
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Not quite so fast....

Talisker now owned by Diegeo, was sold by North of Scotland Bank to Donald McLellan in 1857.


https://www.maltmadness.com/whisky/talisker.html
Yes, I will go so fast.

Roderick Kemp who's mentioned at the label never owned Macallan and Talisker at the same time, he sold Talisker before he bought Macallan in 1892, the bottle claims to be produced in 1905 and the mentioned company lacks zero proof of existence, even Diageo could not find any trace of such company in their archives, and if it would be somewhere it should be there.

And what does 1857 have to do with this? The year on the bottle is the distillation date, it is claimed to have matured for 27 years meaning it is bottled in 1905, I don't get the reference to 1857.
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Old 02.11.2017, 15:14
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Yes, I will go so fast.

Roderick Kemp who's mentioned at the label never owned Macallan and Talisker at the same time, he sold Talisker before he bought Macallan in 1892, the bottle claims to be produced in 1905 and the mentioned company lacks zero proof of existence, even Diageo could not find any trace of such company in their archives, and if it would be somewhere it should be there.

And what does 1857 have to do with this? The year on the bottle is the distillation date, it is claimed to have matured for 27 years meaning it is bottled in 1905, I don't get the reference to 1857.
You have to remember that fact checking when the bottle was purchased was not as easy as today.
1857 was the year McLellan bought Talisker.
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You have to remember that fact checking when the bottle was purchased was not as easy as today.
1857 was the year McLellan bought Talisker.
McLellan is not related to this story, they bankrupted in 1863 and passed Talisker on to John Anderson, in 1880 roderick Kemp joined the management of Talisker by achieving shares which he sold in 1892 to have the money to buy Macallan. The Whisky in this story is a 1878 Whisky meaning is it distilled in 1878 and given that it claims to be 27years it is bottled in 1905. So it was distilled before Roderick Kemp was involved in Talisker or Macallan, and bottled years after he had sold his share in Talisker. There's simply no logical explanation for his name on that bottle.

I still miss the reference to McLellan in this story, he's from way before and not related at all.

And surely there was no internet as we know it today when the hotel bought the bottle, but when buying such a bottle the least one can do is give a phone call to Talisker and/or Macallam, both could have told them that there's zero evidence of such a company and that it at least would be very weird since Kemp never owned the companies at the same time, also they could have tested the bottle later on, given the fake Macallans foundings from the beginning of this century and the cork that missed shrinking due to the ageing being only an artificial look should have been a giveaway for people who are willing to look at such.

And some fake's are indeed hard to spot, even Macallan who once decided to have their own collection tested found a few fake ones of which they had assumed themselves earlier they were authentic, reason the more to never buy a bottle which raises such questions as this one, even if it would be hard to proof it being a fake, it is impossible to proof it being original coming from a company with absolutely zero evidence it ever existed.

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http://www.whiskymag.com/news/1389.html

To me this should have been the signal for the hotel to call in somebody to have a good look at their collection of old/rare/expensive whisky's, but as like Macallam many collectors do not want to do this since they really want to believe that what they have are real gems, and finding out something is a scam also causes them to lose money.

The hotel bought this bottle long ago for a 5 figure amount, and never did any research on it and like many others just believed it had to be true given that they bought it from a known seller, even tho the seller claimed it was the last existing bottle of what must have been one of the most rare caskets ever no research was ever done.

I love my whisky's, Macallam is my favourite brand since the last 20 years, and such old bottles are so far out of my reach that I think I already would be happy to pay to be able to sniff an empty glass or the cork. But it's a world where people to often want things to be true and the level of purification is way to low, yes the hotel is also a victim, but a very willingly and naive victim who also have to look at themselves.
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