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Question regarding olive oil

I am having increasing problems finding regular pressings of olive oil. Everything on the shelf claims to be "extra virgin".

However. Much of it seems not the right colour to be extra virgin. Yes, I can buy the more ordinary coloured olive oil and use it for cooking, but it is worrying me that the labelling isn't accurate. Am I encouraging fraud here?

My understanding is that extra virgin olive oil is best for salads, and the lesser pressings are better for cooking because they have a higher burn temperature. There is such a thing as a virgin olive oil too, but it's not available at Migros or Lidl.

Can anyone enlighten me?
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

Haven't bought any in a while, but Migros Classic Olive Oil - plain and simple. Not extra, not virgin, just olive oil.
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I have checked everything on Migros shelf. Many of the products are labelled in large print "olive oil", but in the fine print, they're claiming to be "extra virgin". I simply don't believe it! I will check that one out again, thank you Medea Fleecestealer.
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

80% Olivenöl raffiniert, 20% Olivenöl extra vierge the ingredients label says.
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I am having increasing problems finding regular pressings of olive oil. Everything on the shelf claims to be "extra virgin".

However. Much of it seems not the right colour to be extra virgin. Yes, I can buy the more ordinary coloured olive oil and use it for cooking, but it is worrying me that the labelling isn't accurate. Am I encouraging fraud here?

My understanding is that extra virgin olive oil is best for salads, and the lesser pressings are better for cooking because they have a higher burn temperature. There is such a thing as a virgin olive oil too, but it's not available at Migros or Lidl.

Can anyone enlighten me?
Virgin olive oil has a lower smoke temperature vs. refined olive oil since its not "pure" oil and has particles inside. These particles are actually what gives it better taste, color and smell. The more refined it is, the more pale, tasteless and arome-less it is, but the better it is for cooking. As a rule of thumb, I avoid buying Italian olive oil due to the weak regulatory system in Italy. For examples, olives from Morocco that are crushed in Italy are then labelled as Italian olive oil and this is all legal. In my view, Greek olive oil is the best one and I am happy to pay a premium for either Crete or Kalamata extra virgin. Having said that, for cooking at high temp nothing beats clarified butter in terms of smoke point and flavor combo. Readily available at Coop
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80% Olivenöl raffiniert, 20% Olivenöl extra vierge the ingredients label says.
Strange, on the front label of the Classic and Budget Version it says Extra Vergine.
https://produkte.migros.ch/m-classic-olivenoel
https://produkte.migros.ch/m-budget-olivenoel
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

Maybe they've changed it recently or stopped stocking it. I've seen that M Classic in the shops too, but the one I got is in a clear container and cost about 5.20 iirc. As said, it's been a while since I bought it - my bottles say best before 2014!
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

- Extra virgin olive oil Comes from virgin oil production only, and is of higher quality: among other things, it contains no more than 0.8% free acidity, and is judged to have a superior taste, having some fruitiness and no defined sensory defects. Extra virgin olive oil accounts for less than 10% of oil in many producing countries; the percentage is far higher in the Mediterranean countries (Greece: 80%, Italy: 65%, Spain 50%).

- Virgin olive oil Comes from virgin oil production only, but is of slightly lower quality, with free acidity of up to 1.5%, and is judged to have a good taste, but may include some sensory defects.

- Refined olive oil is the olive oil obtained from virgin olive oils by refining methods that do not lead to alterations in the initial glyceridic structure. It has a free acidity, expressed as oleic acid, of not more than 0.3 grams per 100 grams (0.3%) and its other characteristics correspond to those fixed for this category in this standard. This is obtained by refining virgin olive oils with a high acidity level or organoleptic defects that are eliminated after refining. Note that no solvents have been used to extract the oil, but it has been refined with the use of charcoal and other chemical and physical filters. Oils labeled as Pure olive oil or Olive oil are primarily refined olive oil, with a small addition of virgin-production to give taste.

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Re: Question regarding olive oil

I am suspecting a marketing shift since I moved here a few years ago. I had no trouble initially finding refined olive oil, but a while back, things went wonky.

I now buy Coop Prix because it's the only openly declared refined version I can find in my supermarket haunts. It's odd, yes, thanks for the validation, aSwissInTheUS.

Gaburko, I often mix butter with olive oil as it cuts down on the butter eruptions. I will look for the clarified version too, thank you.
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

Aldi's "Minos" greek olive oil came top in a consumer test in Swiss Romande a few years back. We gave it a try and now buy it regularly.

For around Fr 7.50 a bottle it's a pretty safe bet.
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80% Olivenöl raffiniert, 20% Olivenöl extra vierge the ingredients label says.
In sum that's pretty much garbage.
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In my view, Greek olive oil is the best one and I am happy to pay a premium for either Crete or Kalamata extra virgin. Having said that, for cooking at high temp nothing beats clarified butter in terms of smoke point and flavor combo. Readily available at Coop
I also prefer the Greek oil and buy Greek stuff whenever I have the chance.
Btw, Otto's has some brands different than what you can find in the rest of food stores.
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Virgin olive oil has a lower smoke temperature vs. refined olive oil since its not "pure" oil and has particles inside. These particles are actually what gives it better taste, color and smell. The more refined it is, the more pale, tasteless and arome-less it is, but the better it is for cooking. As a rule of thumb, I avoid buying Italian olive oil due to the weak regulatory system in Italy. For examples, olives from Morocco that are crushed in Italy are then labelled as Italian olive oil and this is all legal. In my view, Greek olive oil is the best one and I am happy to pay a premium for either Crete or Kalamata extra virgin. Having said that, for cooking at high temp nothing beats clarified butter in terms of smoke point and flavor combo. Readily available at Coop
Sorry if that sounds offensive, not my intention, but you just said plain wrong stuff.

First of all, Italy has very good "regulatory system" (as you say) regarding olive oil and authorities constantly crack down on companies not following the rules.

Second, any company based in Italy that sells olive oil can only label it "100% Italian" if, and only if, the olives and the pressing are from Italy. If you go to any Italian supermarket, most of the more affordable olive oils in the 4-8 euro/litter range are clearly labelled "olive oil from EU" , or "olives from the EU". Then, from 10 eur/liter and up, you start to find the "100% italiano" with the Italian flag right after. Everything is clear. However, I do agree that most of the people outside Italy don't know this difference and it might be misleading.

Third, Greek olive oil is best than Italian? Hum, I don't think so:

https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/olive-...nnounced/51159
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

COOP have a Prix Garantie general Olive Oil that I use for cooking.

Greek is definitely the best Olive Oil in the world. So many scandals with the Italian brands, I do use them, but I am never sure if they are as they say they they are. I prefer Greek for the taste and I trust the Greek brands.
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COOP have a Prix Garantie general Olive Oil that I use for cooking.

Greek is definitely the best Olive Oil in the world. So many scandals with the Italian brands, I do use them, but I am never sure if they are as they say they they are. I prefer Greek for the taste and I trust the Greek brands.
Now, now...we are being unfair to the Italian olive oils. When I visit Italy, and I do it pretty often, I try to buy from small or relatively small, family business type producers and they are excellent. However, in a supermarket I buy Greek oil, not for the "not trusting Italian ones" (wow, such old traditions over there and we don't trust them, really? Do we trust them with the wines, salamis....the rest of stuff?) but it's something about the taste - some brands are really good, and why not, about feeling better to help a little the Greek economy.
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Sorry if that sounds offensive, not my intention, but you just said plain wrong stuff.
You're not offensive, at all. You're just giving your very subjective (and wrong) opinion in a discussion that is fact-based.

Facts: the New York Times in a investigative journalism article claims: “Much of the extra virgin Italian olive oil flooding the world’s market shelves is neither Italian, nor virgin”
Forbes: It's reliably reported that 80% of the Italian olive oil on the market is fraudulent.
Telegraph: Italian olive oil scandal: seven top brands 'sold fake extra-virgin'
And from the very site you cite: Italy Arrests 33 Accused of Olive Oil Fraud

And so on and so on. Keep on buying Italian crap, its your money in the end of the day, i have made my decision (unbiased by the way, i come from a non-olive oil producing country) and to me Greek is the most reliable and best-tasting.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cecilia.../#7641b914639d

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ra-virgin.html

https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/olive-...il-fraud/55364

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/13/ital...l-scandal.html
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Now, now...we are being unfair to the Italian olive oils. When I visit Italy, and I do it pretty often, I try to buy from small or relatively small, family business type producers and they are excellent. However, in a supermarket I buy Greek oil, not for the "not trusting Italian ones" (wow, such old traditions over there and we don't trust them, really? Do we trust them with the wines, salamis....the rest of stuff?) but it's something about the taste - some brands are really good, and why not, about feeling better to help a little the Greek economy.
You are right I am being a little biased, but I do genuinely prefer the Greek taste.

Lots and lots of information online about how the Italian Mafia infiltrated the Olive Oil market in Italy and many of the big brands are not quite as they are labelled to be.
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Re: Question regarding olive oil

I use EVO for everything, can's be bothered having non-EVO just to save a few pennies.

My 40l (8x5l) should be here tomorrow (usually, I only order 6x5l, but the kids keep on nicking it), good for the next year.

We get ours from a 'cousin of a cousin' .

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You are right I am being a little biased, but I do genuinely prefer the Greek taste.

Lots and lots of information online about how the Italian Mafia infiltrated the Olive Oil market in Italy and many of the big brands are not quite as they are labelled to be.
I too simply love Greek olive oil - much prefer it to any other olive oil.

For curries I use a good groundnut oil and/or ghee, and have a warm roasted nut oil for the wok. Makes all the difference with the flavour getting the oil right.
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So, can somebody recommend a Greek olive-oil (not for cooking) brand and where to buy it?
So that I don't have to try my way through them all?
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