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In Germany, the meat is cheap and raised cheaply. You will find that as you cook it in the pan, much more water will be released from the meat. I cannot recommend it.
In Germany do consumers simply have a choice - you can get everything from factory farmed trash all the way to high quality organic meat. Yes, if you compare a 3 EUR pack from a German hard discounter with some 12 CHF pack in Coop will the Swiss one hopefully be a bit better. If you compare apples with apples will you see that you can get easily the same quality for about half the price. Most German supermarkets have realized that there is a trend to less but therefore higher quality meat in Germany... so even some discounters by now offer certified "bio" meats.
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In Germany do consumers simply have a choice - you can get everything from factory farmed trash all the way to high quality organic meat. Yes, if you compare a 3 EUR pack from a German hard discounter with some 12 CHF pack in Coop will the Swiss one hopefully be a bit better. If you compare apples with apples will you see that you can get easily the same quality for about half the price. Most German supermarkets have realized that there is a trend to less but therefore higher quality meat in Germany... so even some discounters by now offer certified "bio" meats.
I think we've debated this subject numerous times before - is it worth shopping abroad? In this case - Germany. For me France is jut not an option, although I'd really love to have that choice.
So, I'll say it again - for a good quality in Germany you pay the kind of prices that make the whole adventure not worth the effort. I prefer to leave my money where they are produced - in Switzerland. A fool is what I am, I know. (the Swiss will be the first to laugh at me, am pretty sure of that)
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So, I'll say it again - for a good quality in Germany you pay the kind of prices that make the whole adventure not worth the effort. I prefer to leave my money where they are produced - in Switzerland. A fool is what I am, I know. (the Swiss will be the first to laugh at me, am pretty sure of that)
Swiss here and not at all, quite the opposite even.
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Orange stickers FTW!

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Old 13.02.2018, 12:22
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I think we've debated this subject numerous times before - is it worth shopping abroad? In this case - Germany. For me France is jut not an option, although I'd really love to have that choice.
So, I'll say it again - for a good quality in Germany you pay the kind of prices that make the whole adventure not worth the effort. I prefer to leave my money where they are produced - in Switzerland. A fool is what I am, I know. (the Swiss will be the first to laugh at me, am pretty sure of that)
I could easily go over to France but for the money it would save me it's really not worth doing on a regular basis.
Most of the French meat isn't great in my opinion.

We go to France every few months for special things that are not easily available here and toiletries etc. but for the regular shopping it's just not worth the effort. By shopping carefully here and taking advantage of the offers we do pretty well.
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Re: Swiss chicken vs. foreign chicken

I always buys Bio chickens or Naturafarm chickens from Coop. Are they Swiss chickens? I do not know but to me they taste great. If I go to Migros, some of them have French corn fed chickens. I never marinade. Just rub some salt and rapsöl and roast in the oven. Comes out with crispy skin. The bio chickens are really small though. For the 4 of us I find that 1 chicken is barely enough these days.
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Re: Swiss chicken vs. foreign chicken

I tend to go for Italian meat where I can - I find Swiss chicken to be oddly tougher and stringier than anywhere else...
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Old 13.02.2018, 13:55
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I tend to go for Italian meat where I can - I find Swiss chicken to be oddly tougher and stringier than anywhere else...
That's what happens to chicken flesh when the chickens get to run around all day.
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I tend to go for Italian meat where I can -
I only for beef, veal, and cured pork, never fresh pork or chicken.

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Re: Swiss chicken vs. foreign chicken

The question isn't about shopping abroad but buying foreign chicken here in Switzerland as it's also commonly available.
Coop has its "Quality&Prix" products and in this case chicken (or chicken breasts) is often from Austria, Slovenia or Hungary. Migros offers Hungarian chicken under "M-Budget" or "Family Migros" (I rarely shop there hence i don't know their brands that well).
And the difference in price is considerable so I wonder if this imported meat is really of a poor quality or its quality is comparable to Swiss but the Swiss price is much higher due to law, restriction how to raise and feed animals etc.
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Old 13.02.2018, 14:43
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Re: Swiss chicken vs. foreign chicken

If I buy foreign chicken (or other fowl, or goat) here, then I buy French.

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That's what happens to chicken flesh when the chickens get to run around all day.
While possibly a contributing factor - free range chicken in the UK, Germany or Italy is still more tender than "most" Swiss chicken I've tried. I think it's a breed thing.

Annoyingly, most imported chicken I find in Switzerland seems to be battery raised in Holland... but that's not a huge issue, as with some digging you can usually find better quality.
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While possibly a contributing factor - free range chicken in the UK, Germany or Italy is still more tender than "most" Swiss chicken I've tried. I think it's a breed thing.
or possibly a different definition of free range.
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The question isn't about shopping abroad but buying foreign chicken here in Switzerland as it's also commonly available.
Coop has its "Quality&Prix" products and in this case chicken (or chicken breasts) is often from Austria, Slovenia or Hungary. Migros offers Hungarian chicken under "M-Budget" or "Family Migros" (I rarely shop there hence i don't know their brands that well).
And the difference in price is considerable so I wonder if this imported meat is really of a poor quality or its quality is comparable to Swiss but the Swiss price is much higher due to law, restriction how to raise and feed animals etc.
The prix garantie chicken breasts from the COOP are absolutely horrible. I have no idea where they are imported from but in my opinion they should stay there.
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Old 13.02.2018, 18:45
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I think we've debated this subject numerous times before - is it worth shopping abroad? In this case - Germany. For me France is jut not an option, although I'd really love to have that choice.
So, I'll say it again - for a good quality in Germany you pay the kind of prices that make the whole adventure not worth the effort. I prefer to leave my money where they are produced - in Switzerland. A fool is what I am, I know. (the Swiss will be the first to laugh at me, am pretty sure of that)
Yeah... and I'll say it again: I am happy to pay good money for good meat. But I don't like to be taken for a ride in the way Swiss retail does. A six EUR bottle of suncream made in the EU costs suddenly 20 CHF. Add this up for all the non-food stuff from toothpaste to washing detergent and you can literally save several hundreds on stuff that does not turn bad the next week. Even in our two person household without kids did this made more than sense. Not every week, but whenever it made sense did we stock up. And while I agree that on average Swiss meat is better than EU meat can I not say the same about Swiss mangos at triple the EU prices
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Yeah... and I'll say it again: I am happy to pay good money for good meat. But I don't like to be taken for a ride in the way Swiss retail does. A six EUR bottle of suncream made in the EU costs suddenly 20 CHF. Add this up for all the non-food stuff from toothpaste to washing detergent and you can literally save several hundreds on stuff that does not turn bad the next week. Even in our two person household without kids did this made more than sense. Not every week, but whenever it made sense did we stock up. And while I agree that on average Swiss meat is better than EU meat can I not say the same about Swiss mangos at triple the EU prices
I agree on the issue but the reason is probably a different one (mostly).

Often it's the producer/distributor who sell at a much higher price to the Swiss retailers to increase his profits. This is clearly evident in the cases the Swiss retailer takes products off the shelf to force a lower end price difference, or where the retailer has grey imports relabeled to sell them domestically and still ends up paying less than when they pay the Swiss distributor's price (e.g. Coke/Denner, Elmex as well). The same often applies when you buy from the producer directly, you're virtually guaranteed significantly different prices if you buy from the .de, .ch or .at online shop. Further, compare BMW prices in Germany and here. Heck, BMW has been fined by the SECO because they forbade their German garages sales to Swiss residents. As a consequence BMW switched to soft barriers such as loss of free service on grey imports. Of course BMW is far from the only one, it's just a particularly blatant case.
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Old 14.02.2018, 09:56
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The question isn't about shopping abroad but buying foreign chicken here in Switzerland as it's also commonly available.
Coop has its "Quality&Prix" products and in this case chicken (or chicken breasts) is often from Austria, Slovenia or Hungary. Migros offers Hungarian chicken under "M-Budget" or "Family Migros" (I rarely shop there hence i don't know their brands that well).
And the difference in price is considerable so I wonder if this imported meat is really of a poor quality or its quality is comparable to Swiss but the Swiss price is much higher due to law, restriction how to raise and feed animals etc.
Depends what you mean by "quality".

Usually chicken meat quality is measured as colour and texture.
Colour is easy to check yourself but until you take it home and cook it then you cannot measure the texture.

Taste is important but it is a very individual thing; "one mans meat is another mans poison"!
There are many factors that effect taste like the breed of the chicken, the food it is fed and, importantly, after slaughter, biochemical changes, causing the conversion of muscle to meat, determine final meat quality.
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Is it me or are whole chickens here in the supermarket often a lot smaller than what I was used to back in the UK?
I think the biggest and tastiest chicken here I found locally in Ste. Croix. It is a turkey size and is famous for the quality. Pricey, though. I got used to buy dairy (except unpasteurized, just microfiltered milk in Fr), poultry and meat in CH, just adjust the timing for some deals - because it offers at the end more quality. France has steadily increased prices over the border, with GE serving rents.

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...... biochemical changes, causing the conversion of muscle to meat, determine final meat quality.
Muscle is meat.
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Yeah... I don't like to be taken for a ride in the way Swiss retail does. A six EUR bottle of suncream made in the EU costs suddenly 20 CHF...
Getting Off Topic, but suncream degrades and you're doing it wrong if you're not seen with the CHF48 Daylong Bio Luxe Xtasia 5mg tube.

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