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So it would be a "no" then

Sounds good. Can't find the weight mentioned anywhere?


They are the size of a 10 liter bucket, easily carry able. Both Aldi as well as Lidl have at times cheap knock offs for a fraction of the price on offer as the original isn't cheap. Id go original for a balcony, but cheap copy for the lake...
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

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I assume that's the one, they also have a smaller one of 24cm but tbh that's just to small imho, that's nice for a trucker to put a not too large steak on at the parking place, the one from the photo is 32cm giving effectively 78% more surface.

All data for the 3.7KG one from the picture:
http://lotusgrill.de/tr/lotusgrill/

And the smaller one of 2.1KG which I think is stopped in production but still for sale at some spots
https://www.hawk.ch/lotusgrill-cooke...RoC1_kQAvD_BwE
There is also the cheaper option from lidl coming on the 7th of June to a lidl near you :-)

https://www.lidl.ch/de/Aktion-35.htm?articleId=21837

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Old 04.06.2018, 18:57
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There is also the cheaper option from lidl coming on the 7th of June to a lidl near you :-)

https://www.lidl.ch/de/Aktion-35.htm?articleId=21837

Very interesting. I wonder if you can get spare parts for it or even if the lotusgrill spare parts will fit?

EDIT - I'll do some research...

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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

Aside Lotus grill, you can try Weber, they've got the Weber 121020 Go-Anywhere Charcoal Grill and Weber 40020 Smokey Joe Premium 14-Inch Portable Grill.
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There is also the cheaper option from lidl coming on the 7th of June to a lidl near you :-)

https://www.lidl.ch/de/Aktion-35.htm?articleId=21837
Lidl Germany has them for €40 incl. 20% VAT (available online only it seems). Yet again 50% more expensive in CH.

Lidl being Lidl, I wonder if this is "Kaufkraftabschöpfung" (aka profit maximisation) or some other unavoidable economic reason.
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Lidl Germany has them for €40 incl. 20% VAT (available online only it seems). Yet again 50% more expensive in CH.

Lidl being Lidl, I wonder if this is "Kaufkraftabschöpfung" (aka profit maximisation) or some other unavoidable economic reason.
'Other unavoidable economic reason' other than covering the significantly higher operating costs in Switzerland, you mean? Of course (almost) everything will be marked up to some extent vs Germany, it is perfectly logical.

Also that is a special price, because before I saw that they were 49.99 EUR online in Germany.

EDIT - Here they were previously 50 EUR, so 60CHF is hardly a big markup (2.50chf?) for a regular price https://www.lidl.de/de/florabest-hol...eftung/p220836
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

Coop Brico +Loisirs currently has the lotus grill on sale for 107chf

Though this lidl one looks very interesting!
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Lidl Germany has them for €40 incl. 20% VAT (available online only it seems). Yet again 50% more expensive in CH.

Lidl being Lidl, I wonder if this is "Kaufkraftabschöpfung" (aka profit maximisation) or some other unavoidable economic reason.
Not quite right, it is 39.99 +4.95 EUR Delivery so roughly it is 51-52CHF. In Switzerland it will be 59.90CHF so a 16% mark-up but you are right it is still a mark-up!
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Old 05.06.2018, 13:05
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

And INTERDISCOUNT has the Lotus Grill - 7 colours, on special this week until June 24th for CHF 119.90 (regular CHF 179.90).

You can also use your Coop points at Interdiscount. You can convert them into gift cards (minimum CHF 10.00 units) then pay with the gift cards anytime of the year.
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

l saw the Lotus portable grills yesterday in Manor (the department store in housewares) in Marin-Epagnier. l imagine the other stores elswhere in your area would have them too. We have one and love it! Batikqueen
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And INTERDISCOUNT has the Lotus Grill - 7 colours, on special this week until June 24th for CHF 119.90 (regular CHF 179.90).

You can also use your Coop points at Interdiscount. You can convert them into gift cards (minimum CHF 10.00 units) then pay with the gift cards anytime of the year.
They are cheaper at Microspot... 109chf https://www.microspot.ch/de/Freizeit...FRg74AodjigHfQ
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They are cheaper at Microspot... 109chf https://www.microspot.ch/de/Freizeit...FRg74AodjigHfQ
I had seen the post with the lower price at Coop Brico as well before I posted.

My post was done in the event that the OP had for example CHF 100.- worth of Coop points and she did not know what to do with them. So the angle was more Interdiscount has the product + on special (for them) + use Coop points = might be an interesting option.
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

It seams that everyone is jumping the portable BBQ wagen. Ottos will also have them next week: https://www.ottos.ch/de/bbq-dragon-m...ign=issuu/wz6b at a price of CHF 69.00
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

Got one of these for about 8yrs now. Webers are indestructable, always works, the lid will keep wind away, and if you put the coal on one side, the other side can be used to slowly cook.

It sits high enough above the grass that it won't burn anything and it will cool down fast enough that you can bring it back home on your bike (if you are of the biking kind...)

P.S. If you would get one of these, you don't need an expensive Weber charcoal starter, just make alittle pile with some of these compressed fiber fire starters and it will go on it's own. Just takes a bit of patience to get it going, so you have time for a drink
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Got one of these for about 8yrs now. Webers are indestructable, always works, the lid will keep wind away, and if you put the coal on one side, the other side can be used to slowly cook.

It sits high enough above the grass that it won't burn anything and it will cool down fast enough that you can bring it back home on your bike (if you are of the biking kind...)

P.S. If you would get one of these, you don't need an expensive Weber charcoal starter, just make alittle pile with some of these compressed fiber fire starters and it will go on it's own. Just takes a bit of patience to get it going, so you have time for a drink
And does it produce any significant amount of smoke?
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And does it produce any significant amount of smoke?
I wonder why they named it "Smokey Joe"?
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

Two remarks first:

i) The relevant applicble price needs to exclude VAT as the retailers are just the collecting agent. They have no influence on percentage or amount, VAT doesn't affect their business or profitability, they gain nothing at all from whatever amount they collect.

ii) I forgot to exclude the Swiss VAT in my calculation above. Excluding VAT on both sides gives "only" 40% upprice based on €1.20, but if you also use the actual exchange rate of €1.15 instead you still get 51% upprice.
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'Other unavoidable economic reason' other than covering the significantly higher operating costs in Switzerland, you mean? Of course (almost) everything will be marked up to some extent vs Germany, it is perfectly logical.

Also that is a special price, because before I saw that they were 49.99 EUR online in Germany.

EDIT - Here they were previously 50 EUR, so 60CHF is hardly a big markup (2.50chf?) for a regular price https://www.lidl.de/de/florabest-hol...eftung/p220836
What sense does it make to use a past price that's inapplicable any longer? None of us is living in the past.

Clearly some price difference is Ok, the question is where the acceptable limit is.

Aldi Germany sells for €33.3 excl. VAT, that includes compensation for their internal costs and still leaves some profit. On the surface there's no apparent reason to assume that Lidl Switzerland pays significantly more (in total costs including delivery to the warehouse). Ok, they may get a lower rebate due to lower volumes but that's about it, and that difference can't be that much. After all shipping from Shanhai via Hamburg to Bayern isn't materially different from shipping from Shanghai via Hamburg to Switzerland.

My personal ballpark figure is 20% margin on the net sale price (that's based on Migros total figures, mind they're much more than just a retailer). Using that and based on Lidl's net retail price, Lidl buys for €26.66 or CHF 30.66 (1.15 exchange rate). So Lidl Schweiz should also pay CHF 30.66. With a retail price net of VAT of 55.71 that's 81% upprice compared to the 25% upprice for Lidl Germany generally assumed above. Even if one was to posit that lower rebates due to lower volume result in, say, 35 CHF total purchase price for Lidl CH, that's still 59% upprice.

Now, Swiss retailers report much lower margins than that. As mentioned the Migros Konzern has around 20% (profit margin is 2-3%) (that encompasses all Migros companies, including the bank, holiday operator, Denner, their industrial companies, etc).

Given that, the purchase price is likely to be significantly higher. Whichever pockets that additional money fills, they use Switzerland to fill their personal coffers.
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I had seen the post with the lower price at Coop Brico as well before I posted.

My post was done in the event that the OP had for example CHF 100.- worth of Coop points and she did not know what to do with them. So the angle was more Interdiscount has the product + on special (for them) + use Coop points = might be an interesting option.
107 outright! Though I would've loved to use some coop points as well and benefit from the extra colour choice! My own fault for jumping the gun too soon it seems.
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None of us is living in the past.
Seriously? Some of you are.
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Re: Portable charcoal BBQ

I would also vote for the lotus, for the fact that it's relatively compact and you need less coal, which makes it easier to transport (it also comes with a bag).
A friend recently brought a Weber Go-Anywhere, which was also quite nice, but heavier.
Also the lotus grill heats up quicker due to the built in fan.
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