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Whatís with the price of Cooking Oil?

Anyone able to shed any light as to why cooking oil is so expensive here? I understand the Swiss mark up on many products but on cooking oil itís unbelievable. Bog standard Sunflower oil or Rapeseed oil costs about Ä1 a bottle in Germany. Here itís about 5 chf. Anyone know why? Iím not even sure itís produced in Switzerland.
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Old 29.10.2019, 16:55
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Anyone able to shed any light as to why cooking oil is so expensive here? I understand the Swiss mark up on many products but on cooking oil itís unbelievable. Bog standard Sunflower oil or Rapeseed oil costs about Ä1 a bottle in Germany. Here itís about 5 chf. Anyone know why? Iím not even sure itís produced in Switzerland.
because stupid people are willing to pay 5chf, so they charge 5chf.
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Old 29.10.2019, 17:01
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Anyone able to shed any light as to why cooking oil is so expensive here? I understand the Swiss mark up on many products but on cooking oil itís unbelievable. Bog standard Sunflower oil or Rapeseed oil costs about Ä1 a bottle in Germany. Here itís about 5 chf. Anyone know why? Iím not even sure itís produced in Switzerland.
Eh? In Germany it's between EUR 3.10-4.70 per litre, depending on whether it's supermarket budget or fancy-pants.

Here it seems to be CHF 3.90 (cheapo) - CHF 7.00 (posh). Not THAT big a difference to over the border. Where specifically are you shopping? Globus?
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Eh? In Germany it's between EUR 3.10-4.70 per litre, depending on whether it's supermarket budget or fancy-pants.

Here it seems to be CHF 3.90 (cheapo) - CHF 7.00 (posh). Not THAT big a difference to over the border. Where specifically are you shopping? Globus?
Where in Germany do you shop?

Sunflower oil in Germany can easily be found for 1,- and almost every supermarket has 1L bottles for 1,50

Switzerland is with the little stuff most often more expensive than our neighbouring countries, and some things like oil it is much more expensive.
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Where in Germany do you shop?

Sunflower oil in Germany can easily be found for 1,- and almost every supermarket has 1L bottles for 1,50

Switzerland is with the little stuff most often more expensive than our neighbouring countries, and some things like oil it is much more expensive.
Looked on a German price comparison site but, having looked again, it filtered out everything except Kaufland products. Yup, you can get it cheaper.
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Looked on a German price comparison site but, having looked again, it filtered out everything except Kaufland products. Yup, you can get it cheaper.
Time to start using another price comparison site (or better, search directly since Germany lacks great price comparison sites)

https://www.kaufland.de/sortiment/da...d=3901030.html

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Anyone able to shed any light as to why cooking oil is so expensive here? I understand the Swiss mark up on many products but on cooking oil it’s unbelievable. Bog standard Sunflower oil or Rapeseed oil costs about €1 a bottle in Germany. Here it’s about 5 chf. Anyone know why? I’m not even sure it’s produced in Switzerland.
What's 5CHF? That's nothing
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Old 29.10.2019, 17:11
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Re: Whatís with the price of Cooking Oil?

Check out Aldi and Lidl....
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Check out Aldi and Lidl....
Even there I think itís still 3.50+ chf.
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Old 29.10.2019, 17:45
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Re: Whatís with the price of Cooking Oil?

Why sell it for CHF 1 if people will pay CHF 4?

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Old 29.10.2019, 17:47
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Re: Whatís with the price of Cooking Oil?

Protection of domestic agriculture. See, we should be in the EU.

Unprotected olive oil is roughly the same price.
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Check out Aldi and Lidl....
This. When comparing prices with Germany, you have to remember that discount supermarkets were really invented there, 40+ years ago, so the prices you'll find online will mostly reflect those types of retailers, who dominate the market. Other shops exist, and just as with any country, there are places with a huge markup for posh people that think it's better if it's more expensive, and there are premium brands at premium prices, for pretty much the same reason.

Switzerland really isn't much different, except that the discounters are still not considered the mainstream that they are elsewhere, so when looking at price comparison sites they are relatively under-represented.

If you're not shopping at Lidl or Aldi (etc.) then you really shouldn't be complaining about high Swiss prices for food basics.
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What's 5CHF? That's nothing
Itís not about being unable to afford it, Iím curious as to why itís so much more expensive.
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Re: Whatís with the price of Cooking Oil?

Protection of Swiss agriculture, far higher salaries and rent, smaller market, customer willing to pay more
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due to the higher quality swiss sunflowers and the artisan flower pickers that are trained over generations...
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far higher salaries
That appears to be largely compensated by other factors.

Longer working hours, lower additional costs ("Lohnnebenkosten") such as social security costs, fewer absences due to illness, and often higher productivity, result in comparable or even lower cost per output in CH. For instance Swiss retailers enjoy a 5% cost advantage over their competitors in the neighboring countries according to this study that was, mind, financed by the big retailers themselves (except Aldi and Lidl).
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Protection of Swiss agriculture, far higher salaries and rent, smaller market, customer willing to pay more
Transport/storage more expensive, less subsidies for internal market, to rent a building and maintain installations etc.. is all much more expensive. Products often produced on smaller scale. And last but not least the Swiss franc has become worth so much more over the last decades.

10 to 20 years ago 1 Euro was about 1,53 / 1,67 CHF now over the last years it is around 1,10 / 1,15 chf. That is one of the main reasons Switzerland feels so damn expensive and why the paychecks feel to incredible high here for a lot of jobs.
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Transport/storage more expensive, less subsidies for internal market, to rent a building and maintain installations etc.. is all much more expensive. Products often produced on smaller scale. And last but not least the Swiss franc has become worth so much more over the last decades.

10 to 20 years ago 1 Euro was about 1,53 / 1,67 CHF now over the last years it is around 1,10 / 1,15 chf. That is one of the main reasons Switzerland feels so damn expensive and why the paychecks feel to incredible high here for a lot of jobs.

1) We are not discussing some ultra-rare 100% organic hipster stuff... but basic cooking oil. Its not small batch production in CH, it comes from the same mass producers as in the neighbouring countries. I actually believe we import a lot from the US.


2) the argument that the Swiss franc is much stronger today... well, it doesnt make much sense, does it? If anything should the change in exchange rate have trigerred a cheaper price.



The reason is simple: CH is a rather protected market with a duopoly in groceries. The new players like Aldi and Lidl apparently decided to not really go full power in competing, but rather be a bit cheaper and still make very nice margins. Swiss consumers are getting screwed daily but have nobody but themselves to blame for as they are so incredibly price insensitive that none of the shops see a need to be more competitive.
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It’s not about being unable to afford it, I’m curious as to why it’s so much more expensive.
Well as others have alluded, it's because they can and because it is still a protected agricultural market here in ch.

The import duty on rapeseed for human consumption is 127.20 chf per 100 kg, so its high, thus giving swiss farmers a high rate of protection. When you see these high tariff and non-tariff protections, in particular for sugar, oils, meat, dairy sectors, in you will find more price disparity. It's not something unique to CH, its known the world over, its just CH is highly protectionist in many agricultural products,even compared to EU, which is no saint either. Situation even more distorted where subsidies are provided, i.e. dairy, for many countries.

Around my little village there is tons of rapeseed and sugar beet planted. Why, because the farmers are not dumb, and produce in particular where there is higher prices and better margins.
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it is still a protected agricultural market here in ch.

Indeed, and is specifically limited on the duty-free list - think the limit is 5 litres per person? - rather than included in the Fr 300 simple monetary limit.


Having said that, I know people do complain about price differences for products when comparing foreign prices (I guess grumpygrapefruit gets that sometimes, and I know I'm guilty as charged with eg BritShop) but consumers forget or don't realise there are costs involved with transport, customs clearance, duties, VAT etc. that are incurred by the Swiss vendor of non-Swiss products. I've had a couple of people try to bypass me, as the official dealer for Hartley Boats, because the price on the manufacturer's website is much lower. But they aren't comparing apples with apples, both in terms of specification and overhead.
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