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Re: Vegans are less intelligent than carnivores

I don't think there is anything wrong with not eating meat as long as the balance of nutrients is right, as "a woman of a certain age" I take certain supplements like Magnesium and Ginkyo to avoid things like brain fug.

I abstain from meat 2 - 3 days a week.
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The difference between vegan and vegetarian is immense. In terms of nutrients missing..

Vegans often compensate with processed stuff, vegan yoghurt, cheese..but while brain likes it, the color and texture, the added artificial calcium did not work, I absorbed almost none. I need an animal one in fatty dairy. Iron was the same, I don't uptake it from spinach, I need liver.
Yeah, those having grown up with Popey and never bothered to find a new source .....

It's not that you don't uptake iron from spinach, it's that you would have to eat twice as much spinach than liver to get the same amount PLUS spinach contains substances, which reduce the absorbtion of iron, so more than twice as much.

My main criticism re veganism is that one basically would need to study nutricionism - plus medicine even better - and have to daily control meticulously what you eat and how much of it.

It's a full time job - which probably explains why vegans - as many here said - talk about it all the time.
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My main criticism re veganism is that one basically would need to study nutricionism - plus medicine even better - and have to daily control meticulously what you eat and how much of it.

It's a full time job - which probably explains why vegans - as many here said - talk about it all the time.
Yeah, French fries and some salad plus diet coke are vegan but you can't survive only on that...
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Vegans often compensate with processed stuff, vegan yoghurt, cheese..but while brain likes it, the color and texture, the added artificial calcium did not work, I absorbed almost none. I need an animal one in fatty dairy. Iron was the same, I don't uptake it from spinach, I need liver.
Calcium is water soluble, what you probably needed was the vitamin D to help absorb the calcium which is fat soluble and is found in milk.

Heme iron (In liver etc) is absorbed more efficiently than non-heme iron (In green vegetables etc). You can increase the efficiency of iron absorption by eating iron rich foods in combination with other foods and reduce tannin consumption.
Non- heme iron is the biggest source of iron in humans so maximising iron absorption is important.

A vegan diet is not something to be undertaken lightly, there are many factors to take into account and getting the right balance can take a lot of effort.
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My main criticism re veganism is that one basically would need to study nutricionism - plus medicine even better - and have to daily control meticulously what you eat and how much of it.

It's a full time job - which probably explains why vegans - as many here said - talk about it all the time.
Is that really the case, though. People existing on fast/processed food diets probably access as few nutrients. The human body seems to be a bit more resilient and flexible. But any meticulous control could lead to orthorexia - disordered eating bound by almost impossible rules.

Given what physicians are taught about nutrition, studying medicine would be a waste, that‘s for sure. And there seems to be little consensus on nutrition... vegan, vegetarian, low fat, low carb.....on and on and on.
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Is that really the case, though. People existing on fast/processed food diets probably access as few nutrients. The human body seems to be a bit more resilient and flexible. But any meticulous control could lead to orthorexia - disordered eating bound by almost impossible rules.

Given what physicians are taught about nutrition, studying medicine would be a waste, that‘s for sure. And there seems to be little consensus on nutrition... vegan, vegetarian, low fat, low carb.....on and on and on.
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Orthorexia often seems to become the problem, according to vegans that gave it up after some time.
A vegan leaves out a great amount of foods us others unwittingly cover our nutrient requirements with. So I imagine it's inevitable to put thought into getting them some other way. While a vegetarian doesn't have to think about it much, they will definitely still live healthier than fast/processed food dieters. Yesterday I tried to think of things I cook that would get away as vegan. I came up with two.

However, what I meant with "my criticism" is that I believe the more one restricts the sources, the more thought one needs to put into essential nutrients. An effort I would not be willing to make. Food to me is joy and the variety of it in world-wide cuisine is paradisial - when not restricting ingredients.
Exaggerated fixation is not uncommon these days, what ever individuals chose to make overly important to themselves. So I don't believe as an omnivore I should "rescue" vegans from orthorexia.

As to scientists, some apparently now claim vegans are less intelligent, the next will maybe find out vegans live 20 years longer. Then the Christians will chime in with "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" and all go vegan ..... until the biblical research-guys object that this is the wrong interpretation of Matthaeus 5:3 .....
So what it boils down to as always: Each make their choice and allow themselves to change their mind should it some day not feel right anymore.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with not eating meat as long as the balance of nutrients is right, as "a woman of a certain age" I take certain supplements like Magnesium and Ginkyo to avoid things like brain fug.

I abstain from meat 2 - 3 days a week.
Magnesium is fantastic, perks me up as well. For brain energy and focus - sports works the best, any cardio, running every day works for me. I am still not big on meat, I cook it and apparently well, but personally - it bores me. Eggs, cheese...veggies, grains, herbs, nuts, oats, there are more interesting things to eat/cook. I think I still eat 60/40 raw/cooked food. Would like to push it to 80/20.

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Interesting article on the beeb about possible unhealthy aspects of the rise of vegan foods, notably junk food, which is probably what many young newly-converted vegans are likely to eat a lot of.
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The "guilt-free" junk food made me laugh.
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Very interesting perspective, vegan fast food is still junk food.
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something we knew all along: Vegans are not quite as intelligent as carnivores. The gist: "without question, veganism can cause b12 and iron deficiencies, and without question they affect your intelligence". You're welcome.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...r-intelligence

please, let the vegan-azzis flaming begin!
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I found the BBC article very interesting. One of our niece's problems is she consumes a lot of vegan processed junk food, she thought it was fantastic when fast food chains like McDs started offering vegan options. Personally, one of the most tasteless meals I've eaten was vegan at Tibits in Basel. It was just awful and whatever they use as substitutes for dairy are cloying and left a nasty aftertaste taste behind (although the harissa salad dressing was nice over rice!)

I've also read a lot over the past few years about soy products which vegans say as well as being a good source of protein protect against cancer, especially the female ones. Again interesting, because back in 2006 I was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of non hormonal breast cancer, which until Roche developed Herceptin had a very poor prognosis. Women in Britain had to go to court to fight for the right to this drug, thankfully for me the government approved it for wider use just after I was diagnosed and told i would need chemotherapy. (It's also used for some stomach cancers).

My oncologist was a woman and one thing she said to me was to avoid all things soy like the plague, because a non hormonal cancer can recur as a hormonal one. I took her advice, just followed a balanced diet once I was on the road to recovery, adding a few treats like wine and chocolate along the way.

As I'm still here 13 1/2 years on and my test results show I'm still cancer free I guess I must be doing something right
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I found the BBC article very interesting. One of our niece's problems is she consumes a lot of vegan processed junk food, she thought it was fantastic when fast food chains like McDs started offering vegan options. Personally, one of the most tasteless meals I've eaten was vegan at Tibits in Basel. It was just awful and whatever they use as substitutes for dairy are cloying and left a nasty aftertaste taste behind (although the harissa salad dressing was nice over rice!)

I've also read a lot over the past few years about soy products which vegans say as well as being a good source of protein protect against cancer, especially the female ones. Again interesting, because back in 2006 I was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of non hormonal breast cancer, which until Roche developed Herceptin had a very poor prognosis. Women in Britain had to go to court to fight for the right to this drug, thankfully for me the government approved it for wider use just after I was diagnosed and told i would need chemotherapy. (It's also used for some stomach cancers).

My oncologist was a woman and one thing she said to me was to avoid all things soy like the plague, because a non hormonal cancer can recur as a hormonal one. I took her advice, just followed a balanced diet once I was on the road to recovery, adding a few treats like wine and chocolate along the way.

As I'm still here 13 1/2 years on and my test results show I'm still cancer free I guess I must be doing something right
Good for you. Yes, the soy estrogen threat is there. Apparently, fermented soy is ok.
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one of the most tasteless meals I've eaten was vegan at Tibits in Basel.
Tibits could exist only in Switzerland: awful food, overpriced, 0 service as a matter of design, but someone spread the rumor it's hipster and the rest is history. Even for Swiss food standards, this is pretty impressive what are they getting away with.
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Same awful stuff in LS.
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Tibits could exist only in Switzerland
I think you've shot yourself in both feet here, with a bazooka.

Tibits Locations:

London
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Who said vegans were less intelligent?
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Tibits could exist only in Switzerland: awful food, overpriced, 0 service as a matter of design, but someone spread the rumor it's hipster and the rest is history. Even for Swiss food standards, this is pretty impressive what are they getting away with.
Or maybe people these days are just so used to intensively processed and highly flavoured stuff, their palates can't handle a more stripped back, simpler food?

I only go in there once in a blue moon cos it's the only place I can find deep-fried onion rings so I'm not sure how often they update their selection. The home-made ice teas taste of bugger-all - I'll give you that...
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I knew they had opened one in London, but none of my friends have tried it yet.

I gave them a less than brilliant review and added I could produce better vegan food in my own kitchen (not lying about that either). They had the cheek to ask me for some recipes
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Vegan or not, if one goes in excess for one type of food, it is bound not to be too healthy in long term. Even benign things like fruit. I quite skeptically think that the 5-10 pieces of fruit/veg a day (varies, I guess) is to force people for variety, mainly.

Cherub, for the girl you talked about, your hb can make himself useful to her, his and your concern is sweet. But he has to come 1st as a friend, not try to get answers from her on the pretext of her being a uni student now. It sounds uninvited. Ask her to cook with you her fav vegan dish and teach you?
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Vegan or not, if one goes in excess for one type of food, it is bound not to be too healthy in long term. Even benign things like fruit. I quite skeptically think that the 5-10 pieces of fruit/veg a day (varries, I guess) is to force people for variety, mainly.

Cherub, for the girl you talked about, your hb can make himself useful to her, his and your concern is sweet. But he has to come 1st as a friend, not try to get answers from her on the pretext of her being a uni student now. It sounds uninvited. Ask her to cook with you her fav vegan dish and teach you?
Completely agree.
It depends on many other things - level of exercise being a key factor, type of eating habits and so on
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