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Really? I actually love HITL...I don't love the prices, but the food is delicious. Have you been recently? It has improved drastically in the past few years. Best to go outside the lunch rush hour if you can...
Yes, I‘ve been going there regularly since I arrived here in Switzerland. When coming here the only vegetarian alternative was a gemischte side salad, believe me.

It’s convenient if I want the hassle of fighting against the round-about canteen feeling of the buffet, and the food that has not changed since many years (guess that this just ups the sales of their cook-books).

But there are so many better options, as well as good restaurants offering less mass-produced food here in Zurich. The company has expanded it’s reputation on its vodka clubs, vegetarian butchers and so on.

I‘ve watched the development. And believe that it’s a fantastic place since it’s renovation to bring toddlers to, outside of peak times (wish that the comfy sofas and play areas had existed somewhere during my times as a Mom), as well as the other things for kids to do.

It was pretty much a first in Zurich, but today there are so many better options if what you are looking for is healthy vegetarian eating.
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It was pretty much a first in Zurich, but today there are so many better options if what you are looking for is healthy vegetarian eating.
Please share, always happy to hear tips.

I'm not a vegetarian, but eat mainly veggie as I actually love vegetables...lucky me.
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Old 31.01.2020, 16:32
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'Could I ask you which foods you have cut out and the reason? I am interested as I had my gall bladder removed a few years ago'.

I don't follow a low fat diet, but after I had my gall bladder out I found I couldn't tolerate anything deep fried well, also anything like black pudding (which my husband brings back from our local butcher in Scotland) is now difficult for me. Sauces heavy on cream can be a problem as well. At the beginning of the year I cut alcohol back to a bare minimum.

In my case, it manifests as bile acid malabsorption, due to the bile duct being rerouted. It's a bit like having IBS, so I carry Immodium Instants at all times in case I end up having to eat anything that doesn't agree. I'm going to Scotland for 8 days at the end of the month, my one big treat there is always eating fish and chips overlooking the sea, but I pay for it the following day It's to do with the gut processing the fat content in foods in a different way when you have no GB. I don't have it all the time, perhaps once a month.

I tried following a vegetarian/vegan diet for 2 weeks last autumn and found my gut could not cope with it.
It is heavy on digestion - a lot of fiber, celulose, raw food instead of simple proteins broken down by cooking, makes a big difference. The prices here are high but at the end it makes people to not overdo meat/expensive dairy, so over all it seems that it pushes the diet into healthier variety.

Hiltl has a bunch of deep fried junk food and heavy sauces as well amongst a few healthier options, it is tasty but fortunately can't and don't want to afford it too often.

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Old 31.01.2020, 19:13
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'Could I ask you which foods you have cut out and the reason? I am interested as I had my gall bladder removed a few years ago'.

I don't follow a low fat diet, but after I had my gall bladder out I found I couldn't tolerate anything deep fried well, also anything like black pudding (which my husband brings back from our local butcher in Scotland) is now difficult for me. Sauces heavy on cream can be a problem as well. At the beginning of the year I cut alcohol back to a bare minimum.

In my case, it manifests as bile acid malabsorption, due to the bile duct being rerouted. It's a bit like having IBS, so I carry Immodium Instants at all times in case I end up having to eat anything that doesn't agree. I'm going to Scotland for 8 days at the end of the month, my one big treat there is always eating fish and chips overlooking the sea, but I pay for it the following day It's to do with the gut processing the fat content in foods in a different way when you have no GB. I don't have it all the time, perhaps once a month.

I tried following a vegetarian/vegan diet for 2 weeks last autumn and found my gut could not cope with it.
Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Before I had my gall bladder out I couldn't eat much at all. I was told I could eat whatever I want afterwards but find I have little desire for dairy foods and mainly eat a vegetarian diet. I have never liked fried foods and don't eat them at all now. I can't honestly say I have cut back on alcohol but probably should.

I do hope you get to enjoy your fish and chips without the suffering afterwards.

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Re: Vegans are less intelligent than carnivores

I've never eaten a lot of dairy and I never eat cheese. I also limit myself to breakfast or lunch but not both as I'm late 50s and don't need as many calories now. Sadly one of the steroids I was on with chemo wrecked my metabolism so I now just yo-yo between the same 10 lbs.
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I've never eaten a lot of dairy and I never eat cheese. I also limit myself to breakfast or lunch but not both as I'm late 50s and don't need as many calories now. Sadly one of the steroids I was on with chemo wrecked my metabolism so I now just yo-yo between the same 10 lbs.
That sounds tough. Could you increase physical activity?

I think it is healthy to either have breakfast or lunch, tbh. Esp. if one doesn't need that much food.

If somebody expects chemo, would you suggest to pack on some weight ahead of the scheduled treatment?
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If somebody expects chemo, would you suggest to pack on some weight ahead of the scheduled treatment?
It depends. Some people actually gain weight. The combination of less activity, support meds to limit nausea and steroids which increase appetite and water retention facilitate weight gain. Since ymmv, it‘s best to discuss with your medical team.
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Please share, always happy to hear tips.

I'm not a vegetarian, but eat mainly veggie as I actually love vegetables...lucky me.
If you want to try vegan Marktküche is my favorite, Wirtschaft im Franz and Kaisers Reblaube have nice vegetarian options/menus (not exclusively vegetarian restaurants though). Recently the Neue Taverne opened, which is a vegetable focused restaurant, but will use occasionally meat/fish products (e.g. stock/broth etc) if they think that it improves the taste.
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Please, let the vegan-azzis flaming begin!


The hidden biases that drive anti-vegan hatred
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Re: Vegans are less intelligent than carnivores

excellent article. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Vegans are less intelligent than carnivores

So essentially, with religion receding in the west, vegans and meat-eaters are part of a new divide that gets ingrained so deep as to drive hatred and pre-judices? Makes sense. We break a wall between us only to build a new one quickly again.
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excellent article. Thanks for sharing.
Written by Zaria Gorvett, who also wrote the article that prompted this thread, about Vegans being less intelligent than meat-eaters.

I'm betting that she wrote the second article as a response to the ridicule she received in the press for her nonsense in the first article.
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Written by Zaria Gorvett, who also wrote the article that prompted this thread, about Vegans being less intelligent than meat-eaters.

I'm betting that she wrote the second article as a response to the ridicule she received in the press for her nonsense in the first article.
Isn't this modern journalism? Two extremes, but on average, it's correct?
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Isn't this modern journalism? Two extremes, but on average, it's correct?
Sloppy journalism is sloppy journalism.
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Re: Vegans are less intelligent than carnivores

The only thing that makes me dislike vegans and vegetarians are them talking about their diet like it's a religion. I would dislike carnivores also if they would do the same.
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That article was strange. It assumes every meat eater only knows animals from a sanitized meat pack in the supermarket. Condescension is not a good way to reach people's hearts or minds.

"In the case of eating meat, Rothgerber suggests we have a number of strategies – around 15 – which allow us to avoid facing up to the meat paradox. These include pretending that meat has no link to animals, imagining that we eat less of it than we really do, wilful ignorance about how it’s produced – helped by the cartoons of happy farm animals that we’re exposed to from childhood – and only eating meat from animals which are “humanely” farmed...Unfortunately, most of these are derailed by the presence of vegans. "

My grand father slaughtered pigs for a living. My parents lived in a farm for some years and my mom taught me how to kill, feather, eviscerate and cook chickens, turkeys and ducks. So, there's much more beyond happy farm animals on children books.

In the farm, you take care of farm animals and you say thanks in your mind when you sacrifice them. Thanks for allowing us to stay alive and healthy. Some religions have more elaborate rituals of saying thanks liker kosher and halal. I think it's the same in the end, just show some gratitude and bon appétit!
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I would dislike carnivores also if they would do the same.
Some of them do.
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Written by Zaria Gorvett, who also wrote the article that prompted this thread, about Vegans being less intelligent than meat-eaters.

I'm betting that she wrote the second article as a response to the ridicule she received in the press for her nonsense in the first article.
Didn't even notice that, that's quite hilarious. Thanks for pointing it out!

What I did like about the second article is the description of two very distinct reactions I usually get when people get to know about my diet: a) "I don't eat a lot of meat either - and only organic/best quality" or b) the same old jokes mixed with a certain level of aggressive behaviour.

One aspect that I did not like about the first article was that it does talk a lot on how diet may influence intelligence, but it does never give any actual studies showing real life evidence that it does affect intelligence (I might have missed if they were mentioned). E.g. it is very well known that not only vegans but also vegetarians have lower B12 levels, in particular if they are long term vegetarians. At the same time it also known that vegetarians have either a higher IQ or the same IQ as omnivores.

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The only thing that makes me dislike vegans and vegetarians are them talking about their diet like it's a religion. I would dislike carnivores also if they would do the same.
Do you seriously think that vegetarians or vegans don't have to listen to obnoxious omnivores who think that they are particularly funny when talking about the diet choices of others. In my own experience such omnivores are far more common than the "stereotypical vegan/vegetarian", but admittedly I do have a bias when it comes to that.
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Do you seriously think that vegetarians or vegans don't have to listen to obnoxious omnivores who think that they are particularly funny when talking about the diet choices of others. In my own experience such omnivores are far more common than the "stereotypical vegan/vegetarian", but admittedly I do have a bias when it comes to that.
No, I don't think so but I dislike preaching about any kind of diet.
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