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Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Hello all -

I will move to Lausanne on September 1 and am trying to find out if the specific food that I feed my dogs in the US is available. I have seen Science Diet in Switzerland, but not this particular variety:

Science Diet Advanced Protection Senior

(It is a high antioxidant diet.) Does anyone know if this is available? If not I will have to bring 34 lbs in one of my suitcases

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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Best bet is to check at a vets.... One of our cats is getting special Science Diet food as well, as she's got problems with her kidneys, and that as well is only available through the vets.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

I didn't see it on their website (I looked really quick)- have you emailed "Hills" who makes it and asked?
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Yes, I emailed Hills and am awaiting a reply. It does appear that it's not available in Europe - drat. Fortunately I can bring 2 17l b bags in September and 2 more 17 lb bags in October after a trip to the US.

Normally I would not be so picky, but my dogs have done so amazingly well on this food for the past 4 years that I think that we should all be eating it.

Do you think I could ship it to myself through the mail, or would dog food be impounded for any reason?
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Do you think I could ship it to myself through the mail, or would dog food be impounded for any reason?
I don't know if it's classed as meat product and therefore could be problematic to take it with you/send it by mail?

(now I got this image in my head of sniffer dogs at the airport, all trying to get into your suitcase )
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

I was only at my Vets yesterday and "Hills" Science diet food seems to be the only dog and cat food that they offered there.So you might be in luck.
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In the early seventies, my Uncle Bertrand found himself sent on assignment to the foothills of the Himalaya, together with his white-bearded Alaskan scrubhound, which hideous creature my uncle took along for companionship, porterage and yak-baiting.

The trip was to be a long one, lasting several months, hundreds of miles away from the nearest human habitation, itself nothing more than a small cluster of huts on the edge of a swamp in Bhutan. The preparation, therefore, was long and arduous, and took almost as long as the assignment itself, with such essential items as a badger-tail shaving brush, a wind-up gramophone player (in order to satisfy my uncle's latest obsession with the musical works of a Mr Marc Bolan and the Tyrannosaurus Rex Orchestra, or whatever they called themselves. Glamis Rock was quite the big thing in those days, although why on earth these androgynous fellows named an entire genre of Rock and Roll after a dour Scottish castle is quite beyond me. But I digress...), a hundredweight of butterscotch toffees and a packet of water-purification tablets being tracked down, purchased and packed (there wasn't enough room for the water-purification tablets, as it turned out, so my Uncle Bertrand left them behind. With the solar powered kettle and half ton of teabags, they were to prove unnecessary anyway, a few dozen bouts of amoebic dysentery notwithstanding.), ready for the adventure of a teatime.

The final item on my uncle's pre-expedition shopping list was enough dog food to feed Fifi (as the white-bearded Alaskan scrubhound was known to my uncle and all his acquaintances, his original name (given by the grizzled Aleutian trout hunter who lost him to my uncle in a game of Scrabble one long drunken evening (of about three months) in Unalaska a few years before) being unrepeatable in polite company. Or, for that matter, the kind of company with whom my uncle kept company.) for the duration of the assignment.

This proved to be a difficult proposition, since Fifi was a fussy little bugger, fond only of the finest rabbit steaks, trout roe and avocado puree, blended with pestle and mortar and served on fine china, to the accompaniment of Wagner's harpsichord minuets, on either gramophone or wax cylinder - on this point, Fifi was undiscriminating. So long as it wasn't eight track, that is.

My Uncle Bertrand paced the streets of London, Paris, New York and Walsall, in a desperate search for a food that would meet the requirements of his dog's delicate palate.

In despair, my uncle ordered an enormous batch of rabbit steak, trout roe and avocado puree to be prepared, freeze dried and vacuum sealed, at enormous expense, by the most accomplished chefs then living. Then, realising that he was almost ruined before he had even set off, he resigned himself to stumping up for a thousand gallons of dehydrated water (in sachets of 100 ounces each), in order to prepare the bloody hound's dinner upon arrival in the Himalaya.

My uncle really hoped the promised treasures of the ruined monastery of Bumpayatayana were going to live up to their secret reputation, lest he'd be forced to live on cheap tea and biscuits for the rest of his life.

And so it was that one drizzly morning in 1973, my Uncle Bertrand set off from Southampton, on a mission to uncover jewels and treasures reputed, by those who knew about these things, to be worth more than all the treasures previously plundered from Hindustan put together, with a ribbon on top.

After many adventures upon the ocean (I couldn't even begin to tell you the tales of the pirates, sirens and lotus eaters that my uncle met on his journey - you'd never believe me, anyway!), in the city of Bombay (where my uncle participated in an all-singing, all-dancing Hindi film in order to raise funds for his expedition. He's the pale looking fellow standing behind Amitabh Bachchan in the final number of Zanjeer, trying to look menacing while shaking his booty.), and in the upper reaches of the Indus valley (I understand that the Valley Girls are really rather lovely, their peculiar dialect notwithstanding. I think that's the Valley to which my uncle refers, anyway. I might be mistaken.), my Uncle Bertrand finally arrived at the hidden monastery, just as his dog's special food ran out.

In desperation, remarking with terror the hungry glint in the damned dog's eyes, my uncle took his shotgun, aimed at a passing yak, missed and bagged a yeti by mistake.

Excited as he was by the discovery of the fabled and elusive beast of Himalaya, my uncle was slightly more concerned with discouraging his dog from burying its sticky tea-coloured teeth into his throat at the first opportunity.

So it was that the first yeti shot by a European was minced and made into dogfood.

The white-bearded Alaskan scrubhound seemed to be quite pleased by his meal, and devoured it with glee. So much glee, in fact, that my uncle, against his better judgment, had a little taste of the meat left at the side, which turned out, indeed, to taste of rabbit steak, trout roe and avocado puree, as he had suspected.

To cut a long story short(er), my uncle thereafter gave up on his search for the fabled monastic treasure, tracked down the location of the local yeti population, tamed them, set up a farm, installed some village people as farm hands and security guards, set up a slaughterhouse and export chain, and went on to make a fortune with his new dog food 'Himalaya Foothills', later shortened to 'Hills' for the American market.

I'm delighted to hear that my Uncle Bertrand's yeti meat remains so popular. I wish I could see some of the profits from it...
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

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I was only at my Vets yesterday and "Hills" Science diet food seems to be the only dog and cat food that they offered there.So you might be in luck.
I see Hill's mentioned on the brands Fressnapf.ch carries, no specifics though on which products.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

You might be able to have this food special ordered, but I would suggest looking carefully if you can bring in dog food. As was said above, dog foods contain meat and you might not be able to bring them.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

I know how hard it is to change foods when you have a dog with a dodgy tum...

I brought a supply of the mutt's regular food in my container shipment when we moved here, with no trouble from customs. BUT - when I tried to order it from the US supplier and arrange for delivery here, no dice. It was forbidden because of the meat content. (This was at the height of one of the BSE scares, so I don't know if the regs have changed since then.) You should call the Zollamt to ask if you would be allowed to bring the product in with you.

Importing a food is all well and good if you are only going to be here a short time - but not practical if you are here for the long run. In the end, knowing my usual brand was not available here, I switched to home cooked for a transitional phase while I searched for an acceptable locally available alternative.

In addition to the standard brands at the pet stores, there are several good boutique products available - usually sold through an independent distributor.

Also, be aware that many of the larger commercial brands market their products under a slightly different name in CH/EU - bring the ingredients list from your usual food and compare the labels of products you think look similar - you may find it is the same thing.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

As a follow-up to anyone who finds this thread: see below my exchange with the bvet people:

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:52:30 +0200
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Hello

Thank you for your e-mail.

Unfortunately it is forbidden to bring pet food from third countries in
Switzerland. You can also buy special dog food in Switzerland.

Kindly regards

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Subject : can I bring dog food from the US for my dogs

Message : Can I bring dry dog food into Switzerland for my dogs? They are old
and have been doing well on "Science Diet Advanced Protection Senior" which is
not sold in Switzerland. Can I bring in several bags for my personal use? (my
dogs personal use?) If so, what do I need to do
(forms? permits?) in order to be able to do this?

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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Found while on the way to searching for something else...

It looks like Hills' Nature's Best Canine Senior may be pretty close to Advanced Protection:

Here is the ingredients list:

http://www.zooplus.de/shop/hunde/hun...06#composition

As opposed to the Advanced Protection:

http://www.hillspet.com/hillspet/pro...45524441761806

Looking at the analysis, HNB has a slightly higher calcium, fat, protein content - but that could also be due to different labeling standards. (Deciphering labels is just as frustrating here as in the US) but it might be worth checking the HNB out.

I found the Hills Nature's Best listing on the Zooplus website; Zooplus is an online pet store in Germany, unfortunately they no longer deliver to Switzerland because of the import regulations. But if it is available in the EU it might be easier to find here.

Both Fressnapf and Qualipet (CH pet stores) carry other Hill's Nature's Best products, but I've not seen the senior variety.

So first I'd first ask at one of those stores if they could special order it; if they have a Hill's Nature's Best distributor, they should be able to. You may have to buy a minimum quantity, though.

Failing that, take a quick trip over the border for a little pet store browsing...
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Meloncollie, thanks for the information.

Major disaster, I just called Hills and they are discontinuing the Advanced Protection food - the representative told me that while all of their foods have antioxidants, only the Advanced Protection had their proprietary combination of antioxidants.

It looks like I need to find the journal article they (Hills) published in 2004 with their high-antioxidant food experiments to get the chemical names, and start cooking beet and carrot slurry for the beagles.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Last post, really beating this to death.

An animal nutrition expert at our College of Veterinary Medicine just informed me that Hills b/d (prescription) is identical to Advanced Protection. And Hills b/d does appear to be available in Switzerland.
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(snip)... Hills b/d (prescription) is identical to Advanced Protection...
Just to prepare you for the shock...

One of my guys is on a prescription food (not Hills b/d, though) - at a whopping CHF 200 for 15kg plus delivery.

Prescription foods are quite pricey here.

Hope your guys find something that suits them... I'm sure that once you are here you'll find several options to choose from.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Holy moly - the Science Diet AP here in the US is about $23 (or 23 CHF) for 8 kilo.

I have been preparing to hemorrhage money while in Switzerland - it seems that doggie dining will be yet another category of expense.
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Holy moly - the Science Diet AP here in the US is about $23 (or 23 CHF) for 8 kilo.

I have been preparing to hemorrhage money while in Switzerland - it seems that doggie dining will be yet another category of expense.

When we brought our three dogs home with us from Japan, we brought a small supply of their dog food with us so that we could mix it with the new food we were anticipating having to buy here. Our eldest dog was on a fish based food and we found her a good alternative from Fressnapf where if you buy a small bag of any food on a trial basis for your dog, they will refund the price if the food does not agree with your dog.

The middle dog was on a Nutro food and we found the same food here but now Nutro is almost impossible to obtain so we have switched her food.

The youngest dog was on Hills i/d which we had delivered to our door in Japan from a dog food supplier for a fraction of the price for what we pay here for a 15 kg bag which is only available at the vet`s. The dog food prices continue to climb.

A friend of mine is selling a food by this company. www.anifit.ch
It is not sold in pet stores and I have not had a chance to check it out. Perhaps someone here has some experience with it?

So, while dog food is more expensive here, I look on the bright side which is that our dogs are much healthier here than they were in Japan. While food and medical costs were considerably lower there, I was always at the vet`s with one problem or another.

For a short while in Japan, before we could figure out what food our dog that now eats i/d could tolerate, I cooked for her. The vet told me that if I did that here it would be double the cost of the i/d, so that is really not an option though I have to say our dog loved home cooked food.

The only thing I do "cook" for them is chicken soup as in case one gets some type of stomach upset, when it is best to keep them off food until their stomach settles down. Most prepared chicken soup contains onion which is no good for a dog, but if you make it yourself you can omit this. I also add rice and salt and they usually make a very speedy recovery. You can freeze the soup (without the rice) if necessary but it never lasts that long at our house as even the ones who aren`t sick want some.
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

We are moving over to CH with our cat in June, and was wondering if there is a cat food similar to Science Plan available, and if so whether it is expensive? If there isn't anything then I could always buy, and pack a load to go over with our removals company I suppose?
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Re: Science Diet "Advanced Protection" high antioxidant food?

Did you read the thread above? Apparently it's illegal to import pet foods.

Either way, yes, fancy pet foods are available, and yes, they're expensive. Look at www.qualipet.ch to get an idea.
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