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Re: Non-alcoholic wine that tastes like alcoholic wine for cooking?

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I can see where you're coming from on this, but I can't help feeling that you may be on a fool's errand. The alcohol in wine (or beer, etc.) is an essential part of its 'taste' and will remain so through the cooking process. Yes, reducing it down to remove all the alcohol would be possible as per Edwin's idea, but in doing so you'd completely change it, and it would therefore no longer fit your 'tastes like wine' criteria.

And I'm pretty sure, from the few times I've tried it, that 'non-alcoholic wine' will also give quite a different result.

I don't think anything you do will get a 100% match, so instead I'd perhaps look at the recipe from the other direction, trying to work out what flavours are really needed and how you get them, and what flavours could perhaps be varied a little.
This may indeed be so Ace1, but in this case I really feel that I have to try it to make my mind up!
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Old 29.04.2020, 17:05
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Actually... sweet with bite... cherry juice makes sense.
That's why I'd take what the writers have written with a pinch of salt. Who uses the word "sweet" when describing red wine?

Personally, I'd just cook without the wine.
Sure it would be a different dish but if I wanted authentic, I'd use the wine.

I've cooked a ragu (bolognaise for us mere mortals) plenty of times without red wine and it's tasted splendid.
(Eating it without a glass of red wine on the side is another thing entirely).
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That's why I'd take what the writers have written with a pinch of salt. Who uses the word "sweet" when describing red wine?

Personally, I'd just cook without the wine.
Sure it would be a different dish but if I wanted authentic, I'd use the wine.

I've cooked a ragu (bolognaise for us mere mortals) plenty of times without red wine and it's tasted splendid.
(Eating it without a glass of red wine on the side is another thing entirely).
How would you describe it then?

There are elements of it. All taste being subjective. It's certainty not bitter or acidic. Not the wine I like anyway. Mind you, I'm more of a gin/real ale drinker anyway.

I don't understand why anyone would bother with a dish that needed wine... if they didn't want to put wine in it.
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Old 29.04.2020, 17:10
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Hi guys. To cut a long story short, I am looking to find some non-alcoholic wine that looks and tastes like alcoholic wine (as much as possible) for my cooking.

Before anyone says that cooking takes the alcohol out of wine anyway, it does reduce it, but not as much as many people seem to think:

Source 1: https://www.finedininglovers.com/art...cohol-cook-out
Source 2: https://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/AlcoholEvap.htm
Source 3:https://www.foodnetwork.com/how-to/p...cohol-burn-off

So... does anyone please have any good recommendations for deep red/white wines that look and taste (more or less) like their alcoholic brethren, along with the places to go and get it?
You can also use Suure Moscht (the brand is Ramseier) from Coop. This is a non-alcoholic sour apple cider. But I think it depends on what you're cooking.

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You can also use Suure Moscht (the brand is Ramseier) from Migros. This is a non-alcoholic sour apple cider. But I think it depends on what you're cooking.
For any dish where I need to replace alcoholic cider then sure, Suure Moscht would work... but not for where I need red or white wine. Very different profile.
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For any dish where I need to replace alcoholic cider then sure, Suure Moscht would work... but not for where I need red or white wine. Very different profile.
I get it, but the problem with non-alcoholic wines is that most of them are too sweet to cook with imho.

I know of a non-alcoholic white which is dry but I forgot the name I'll post it here later
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Re: Non-alcoholic wine that tastes like alcoholic wine for cooking?

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How would you describe it then?
Red wine - with notes of oak, liquorice and gum boots drying by the Aga...

Not sweet though there are plenty of wines that are sweet - certainly a lot of whites.

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I don't understand why anyone would bother with a dish that needed wine... if they didn't want to put wine in it.
There are plenty of dishes that need wine that work "OK" without it - risotto*, ragu, stews.

* if it was one with strong other flavours like a seafood or wild mushroom risotto.

Ones that I think personally wouldn't work are moule mariniere and certain reductions - those with braised lamb shanks, for example.
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Red wine - with notes of oak, liquorice and gum boots drying by the Aga...

Not sweet though there are plenty of wines that are sweet - certainly a lot of whites.



There are plenty of dishes that need wine that work "OK" without it - risotto*, ragu, stews.

* if it was one with strong other flavours like a seafood or wild mushroom risotto.

Ones that I think personally wouldn't work are moule mariniere and certain reductions - those with braised lamb shanks, for example.

Ah, I would describe liquorice as having a layer of sweetness to it. Like I said, taste is subjective.

Agreed, but they need that alcohol kick to do the job properly.
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Ah, I would describe liquorice as having a layer of sweetness to it. Like I said, taste is subjective.

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I was joking about the wine. The aga mention was something a wine critic really said.

I'm no expert at all - I go for the labels with an animal picture on them!

I hope Chuff doesn't mind us slightly de-railing his thread.
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I know of a non-alcoholic white which is dry but I forgot the name I'll post it here later
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I was joking about the wine. The aga mention was something a wine critic really said.

I'm no expert at all - I go for the labels with an animal picture on them!

I hope Chuff doesn't mind us slightly de-railing his thread.
Nah all good, I'm used to it.
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I'm surprised at cherry juice. Hmmm...
Depending on what you are cooking, cherry juice - more specifically, montmorencey sour cherry juice without added sugar - can work. Not the same as a robust burgundy, but not too bad in 'wintery' dishes. I've found sour cherry better than alcohol-free wines because these, as others have said, tend to be too sweet for my taste.

Same rule applies to substitutes as applies to wines: If you won't drink it, don't cook with it.

I usually get the montmorencey cherry juice from Cherry Republic in the US. I *think* I remember seeing a bio sour cherry juice in Coop... but I could be having a senior moment.
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Re: Non-alcoholic wine that tastes like alcoholic wine for cooking?

When we went to my parents for Christmas, we couldn't stay with them as they moved to a smaller house. Instead, we stayed in a hotel a couple of km away. As we had to drive there, my mother wanted to be nice and bought good non-alcoholic wine.


Lesson learned: drink water, cola, orange juice of whatever. It was horrible Where non-alcohol beer can be acceptable, this wasn't.
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Perfect thanks!



Nah all good, I'm used to it.
I'm a bit late, sorry. It was Rimmus

https://www.manor.ch/de/p/42413410?g...SABEgIa3fD_BwE

I'm not sure if we bough it from Mannor though, I think they have it in other stores too.


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When we went to my parents for Christmas, we couldn't stay with them as they moved to a smaller house. Instead, we stayed in a hotel a couple of km away. As we had to drive there, my mother wanted to be nice and bought good non-alcoholic wine.


Lesson learned: drink water, cola, orange juice of whatever. It was horrible Where non-alcohol beer can be acceptable, this wasn't.
There are some good non-alcoholic wines out there, of course it's not the same but they're pleasant...we used to buy some boxes from France a few years ago. And anyway it's good to have some around in case you have some visitors who don't drink alcohol (we have friends and relatives who don't drink....). I also didn't drink alcohol during pregnancies, breastfeeding and sometimes I felt like having something else apart from water or juice after a tasty meal. There are new technologies and the quality can be very good, I think wineries have lots of clients for non-alcoholic wines these days.

We bought from them
https://www.pierre-zero.com/en/

Again, it depends on what one is cooking. But there are alternatives, that was my point.

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I've cooked a ragu (bolognaise for us mere mortals) plenty of times without red wine and it's tasted splendid.
(Eating it without a glass of red wine on the side is another thing entirely).
I never make ragu alla Bolognese with red wine as it's made with white wine.
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Re: Non-alcoholic wine that tastes like alcoholic wine for cooking?

When I was young and dashing and working in retail in Nottingham, I was on my lunch break when I got stopped on the street by this funny lady with a headscarf and sunglasses. She seemed to have a lot of people around her and called out to me: "you, the nice young man in a suit, would you like to try these wines for me?"
Not being the shy type when it comes to alcohol, I tried the first glass, that was ok, I spat out the second one, exclaiming "Shit, this one tastes like cow piss!" (don't ask me why I said that, probably a subconscious longing for living in Switzerland, that would materialise 20 years later!).
To cut a long story short, it was 1989 and I had just been on Esther Ranzen's "That's Life" programme (for those who remember the 80s!) and this sequence was about alcoholic v non-alcoholic wines. The one that tasted like cow piss was the non-alcoholic one!
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To cut a long story short, it was 1989 and I had just been on Esther Ranzen's "That's Life" programme (for those who remember the 80s!) and this sequence was about alcoholic v non-alcoholic wines. The one that tasted like cow piss was the non-alcoholic one!
It was 1989!! Sounds so...in the past to me. There are new technologies today... But whatevs. I don't have any shares in any company/winery of this sort.

Plus de gustibus and all that.
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I never make ragu alla Bolognese with red wine as it's made with white wine.
You are absolutely right.

However, if you think everyone should stick rigidly to every recipe then there would never be any innovation and progression in cooking.

Although not authentic, red wine does work in a ragu.

I've even put red wine in a risotto before and white wine in coq au vin.
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I never make ragu alla Bolognese with red wine as it's made with white wine.
It is made with both... white wine is the "official traditional" Italian recipe, along with using milk (you do use milk then, right?). However, red wine is the commonly used modern alternative... usually without milk. Red wine also compliments red meat perfectly so it ends up a delicious and luxurious mixture.

If you are so rigid in your cooking then it can't be much fun. "Authentic" is a loose term and doesn't necessarily mean "better".

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I fancy making a pie - but none of this modern chicken pie c**p.

I want a traditional pie made to the old recipe - filled with four and twenty blackbirds.
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