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Re: Eating Food Well Past Sell By Date

I did open a rancid tomato puree can (tiny one) the other day during the confinement, I noticed it was expired about 6mo and it definitely did not look good nor smelled ok. So, I would be cautious with cans. I think they are less safe than weevils.
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Did they taste the same? I mean not good in the sense of being eatable, but good as usual?
It all tasted fine. Same as when bought fresh - so to speak!
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WTF... surely this has to be a wind-up?

if not, then it's Darwinism at it's finest.
Not a wind-up. And I'm still alive - unless it's my ghost writing this
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Not a wind-up. And I'm still alive - unless it's my ghost writing this
Personally, I'm careful with everything meat (including fish and birds), and dump anything that shows color changes or doesn't taste 100.0% normal. Other than that I don't care as long as it looks and tastes Ok.

Even the BAG only recommeds to avoid conserves that are deformed or show inside pressure when opened, and avoid glass containers with broken gum seals.

For 2018-2020 only one case of botulism has been reported nationwide. Doctors are required to report cases of human botulism within 2 hours.
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Re: Eating Food Well Past Sell By Date

We think the more modern cans - those that don't need a tin opener to get to the contents - might not survive as long as the old-fashioned designs. Normally a family to scoff whatever is put in front of them, out of date or not, we decided on (2 years out of date) baked beans on toast at Christmas time as a change from endless leftover Christmas dinner. Tins not bulging or weird in any way, been kept in a cool dark cellar, so the first one had its lid lifted.

Followed by the most enormous bang, as the contents exploded everywhere - ceiling, walls, window, cupboard doors, and (most laughably, it has to be said) all over my husband's face. You should have seen the expression of stunned surprise and amazement on his face as beanz meanz dripz down from his hair and chin.

Needless to say, there was a dash to clean up the tomatoey, beany goo from all over before it crystallised forever, and then a quick visit to the bin to dump any remaining ring-pull out-of-date groceries.
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Why do you think our ancestors added spices to their food?
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They had no salt or sugar?
@robBob - you're seriously underestimating some people here.....I, for one, use black pepper too!





(on a more serious note I don't use many spices because of my kids)
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Why do you think our ancestors added spices to their food?
It really is a myth. For one, in medieval times, ye old shoppe man selling spoilt produce would be sent to the stocks for a good rotten egging, then people who could afford meat would not have to buy anything that was off and woe betide the maid who let food spoil.
Spices were so expensive, read worth more than gold, that if you could afford spices you would not have to eat rotting food.
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I'm surprised at some people's reactions to old tinned goods, but it's always been accepted by food science that as long as a tin is still intact, no bulging, no corrosion, no dents, the contents cannot have developed any form of bacteria. The whole point is that the goods have been sterilised by heating _after_ the tin is sealed, so the physical barrier keeps it that way.

So hundred year old corned beef? Yeah, bring it on.

As it happens, I just watched an episode of BBC's "Inside the factory" where they said exactly this (well, it was 45 year old fish, not corned beef, but meh).
Tbh I'm personally more surprised at the idea to keep old tinned goods for that long, regardless of how minimal the risk to go off (stale) or worse - develop nastier things i.e. bacterias.

Because of my limited storage space, both in my house and the cellar, I always go through all the food, tinned or otherwise, that we store there. Mind, I said food not wines etc.

I try to use them up within a reasonable time frame. I can't afford the luxury to be a "hoarder". The only thing I'm making exceptions for these days are books, but not even those anymore. Everything I know I'm not gonna read again or want a reference any time in the future, goes out.

Oh, and this. Amazing how much one single experience has influenced me too.

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I guess some people are more brave than I am. I once had severe food poisoning from a restaurant while vacationing in Italy. It wasn't pretty. It must have scarred my psyche, because now I'm paranoid about food poisoning.
@Pancakes, not funny to run to the hospital with a small child in a country I barely spoke the language of (not Italy in my case) Fortunately all of us recovered very quickly.
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The most inappropriate food on a lifeboat:

My starters: Durian
Got some in the freezer, and surstroemming in the fridge.

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Re: Eating Food Well Past Sell By Date

My daughter recently convinced my to toss anything in the cupboard more than 10 years past the date, and anything opened in the fridge more than three.

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My daughter recently convinced my to toss anything in the cupboard more than 10 years past the date, and anything opened in the fridge more than three.

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Good for her! That's love.

Now go through her make up cabinet!
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Not a wind-up. And I'm still alive - unless it's my ghost writing this
This thread has been an eye-opener. To me there are some key differences in this whole "you will not die if you eat 10-20 year old canned products".

1) Do I need to eat these 10-20 year old canned foods that I found... is edible food otherwise scarce?

2) If I don't need to eat it, do I really want to take the risk that I haven't noticed something is wrong with it and end up with food poisoning or worse?

My answer to both of those questions is... no. Just... no.
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1) Do I need to eat these 10-20 year old canned foods that I found... is edible food otherwise scarce?
It's not a question of that. There are some tins of things in my cupboards that I might eat one day, like for example some crab meat, some escargots, that sort of thing. I don't need to eat them, but I'm not going to throw the old ones away and replace with new ones that will also sit unused for years, but on the odd occasion when they might be wanted a quick check will confirm if they're still OK.

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2) If I don't need to eat it, do I really want to take the risk that I haven't noticed something is wrong with it and end up with food poisoning or worse?
As already stated, as long as you check the integrity of the tin before opening and use your eyes and nose after, there is no risk of food poisoning.

If there's nothing to be afraid of, why be afraid?

Some useful info here, specifically stating that food like tinned goods with Best Before Dates is safe to eat later than that, as opposed to anything with a Use By date, which may not be.
https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygie...d-use-by-dates
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It's not a question of that. There are some tins of things in my cupboards that I might eat one day, like for example some crab meat, some escargots, that sort of thing. I don't need to eat them, but I'm not going to throw the old ones away and replace with new ones that will also sit unused for years, but on the odd occasion when they might be wanted a quick check will confirm if they're still OK.



As already stated, as long as you check the integrity of the tin before opening and use your eyes and nose after, there is no risk of food poisoning.

If there's nothing to be afraid of, why be afraid?

Some useful info here, specifically stating that food like tinned goods with Best Before Dates is safe to eat later than that, as opposed to anything with a Use By date, which may not be.
https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygie...d-use-by-dates
No risk when 'trusting your eyes and nose'... really? 0% risk? I highly, highly doubt that. Very few things in life are 0% risk and I would reasonably assume that this includes eating 20 year old cans of fish or meat. I would just never even bother entertaining it unless I literally had no other choice.
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No risk when 'trusting your eyes and nose'... really? 0% risk? I highly, highly doubt that. Very few things in life are 0% risk and I would reasonably assume that this includes eating 20 year old cans of fish or meat. I would just never even bother entertaining it unless I literally had no other choice.
Getting out of bed is not 0% risk, either, yet most people do that every day. I mean, in the US alone, 450 people die each year by falling out of bed. That isn't just the drunk ones, either.
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No risk when 'trusting your eyes and nose'... really? 0% risk? I highly, highly doubt that. Very few things in life are 0% risk and I would reasonably assume that this includes eating 20 year old cans of fish or meat. I would just never even bother entertaining it unless I literally had no other choice.
If the thing has botox it verly likely might have had botox before the best by date. So in either cases you might die.
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Getting out of bed is not 0% risk, either, yet most people do that every day. I mean, in the US alone, 450 people die each year by falling out of bed. That isn't just the drunk ones, either.
Getting out of bed and eating a 20 year old can of meat... ahh yes, so similar and now I think about it, both are an equally unavoidable part of my morning routine.

I am glad you raised this highly intellectual argument which has now caused me, to my surprise, to completely rethink my attitude towards eating 20 year old canned meat.
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If the thing has botox it verly likely might have had botox before the best by date. So in either cases you might die.
I´ll bet the Kardashians are worried about their botox reaching it´s best by date...
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Re: Eating Food Well Past Sell By Date

It depends... I recently had the pleasure to taste a Scotch Whisky from Glen Grant with 1946 on its label. No Problem at all


My taste buds and preferred beverages for going out has changed, so when I moved 2 years ago, I found some Cans of Red Bull in the back of the cabinet, which were just empty cans glued to the cardboard box they came in.


I found out Coop Prix Garantie Pineapple cans and canned tomatoes dont tend to keep the cans shape


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Got some in the freezer, and surstroemming in the fridge.

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