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I did say there were two!
I was just making sure that he wasn’t knocked off his pedestal.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

We cook a lot at home on an induction stove. My personal preference is for:

1. Staub enamel cast iron. Great quality, practically life-time, selection is all the way from dutch ovens, great for bread and stews and to frying pans and grills. You can find them either on Galaxus, often on sale or better yet, make the trip to their outlet. Its in Alsace and it's a great day trip

2. WMF: when we moved into our place, we got a present from the construction company, a full set of pots and pans. We still use them, they do the job, but I wouldn't necessarily buy them again. Having said that, 8 years later, they are still outstanding

3. I Avoid Lodge. I had a dutch oven and it's inferior to Staub.
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Old 04.08.2020, 13:15
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I have extensive experience of Michelin star level cooking and can tell you one thing; A good set of pots and pans will last a lifetime and it cannot be overstated how important they are to the cooking process.

I cannot look past Duparquet - their solid silver cookware range is incredible. Silver is the most conductive metal used in cookery and the results are outstanding. Even the silver lined products are worthwhile if you can't afford to go for the full solild silver range...

https://duparquet.com/products
never heard of silver cookware before. wouldn't you have problems with tarnishing? can you fry eggs on a silver pan?
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never heard of silver cookware before. wouldn't you have problems with tarnishing? can you fry eggs on a silver pan?
I suspect even Chuff could.

Serious answer - it is essentially a superior material in almost all ways. It can be washed almost as normal and dried off quickly. It is very unreactive, but should it tarnish, it is easy to remove with some silver polish.
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Serious answer - it is essentially a superior material in almost all ways.
Theoretically only. Most modern houses, almost all new stoves and increasingly frequent, restaurants, are all moving to induction. Superior way to cook in terms of efficiency and heat conductivity. The cost factor is totally a different topic and I see your point about this being a lifetime investment. But so is a Staub or Le Creuset which last a life-time, offer more versatility and well, are cheaper.
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Serious answer - it is essentially a superior material in almost all ways. It can be washed almost as normal and dried off quickly. It is very unreactive, but should it tarnish, it is easy to remove with some silver polish.
It's 7 percent more conductive, and that's not much to write home about. The price difference makes it a ridiculous idea that is for novelty. Stainless steel is also more scratch resistant and does not work harden from use.

I've the ikea 365 set, they are abused and work great, for the price I think they're hard to beat.
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It's 7 percent more conductive, and that's not much to write home about. The price difference makes it a ridiculous idea that is for novelty. Stainless steel is also more scratch resistant and does not work harden from use.

I've the ikea 365 set, they are abused and work great, for the price I think they're hard to beat.
I can see the appeal of it over tin-lined copper. But then again, I wouldn't want to use tin-lined copper pans, so perhaps that's not saying much.

Plus I like to fry eggs
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Theoretically only. Most modern houses, almost all new stoves and increasingly frequent, restaurants, are all moving to induction. Superior way to cook in terms of efficiency and heat conductivity. The cost factor is totally a different topic and I see your point about this being a lifetime investment. But so is a Staub or Le Creuset which last a life-time, offer more versatility and well, are cheaper.
My experience of Switzerland shows almost everyone is still on Glas-Keramik work surfaces.

Where possible, I still feel gas is the way to go, but yes, induction is a great system if you have ferromagnetic pans.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

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My experience of Switzerland shows almost everyone is still on Glas-Keramik work surfaces.

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My experience is that everyone I know who has moved into a new build, or had a kitchen replaced, has bought and induction hob and not a Glas-Keramik.

Cheaper to run, faster to use, safer, and much, much more energy efficient.


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Where possible, I still feel gas is the way to go, but yes, induction is a great system if you have ferromagnetic pans.
The OP wants new pans so that statement is, on this thread, redundant.

You were advising him to buy non-ferrous pans. I strongly advised against that.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

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My experience of Switzerland shows almost everyone is still on Glas-Keramik work surfaces.

Where possible, I still feel gas is the way to go, but yes, induction is a great system if you have ferromagnetic pans.
What's the point of having superior pans on inferior hob? I mean, instead of buying a pan, just invest that money into induction.
Pan for 2.500 and ceramic hob = mediocre working conditions
Induction for 2500 and pan for 50 = excellent working conditions


And the only advantage of gas is that you can use any old pan that is lying around. Gas is just a solution with the lowest investment point, also in professional cooking, hardware is simply just cheaper. And not just hardware, smaller professional stove uses same power as a whole apartment unit, good luck connecting a whole new restaurant kitchen to electrical grid.

For someone boasting "Michelin star experience" you have a suspiciously confused explanation of priorities in cooking hardware.
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I appreciate that you don't like me replying to your posts but...

My experience is that everyone I know who has moved into a new build, or had a kitchen replaced, has bought and induction hob and not a Glas-Keramik.

Cheaper to run, faster to use, safer, and much, much more energy efficient.
Well, we'll both just have to admit our evidence is anecdotal until someone comes up with some actual stats.
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The OP wants new pans so that statement is, on this thread, redundant.

You were advising him to buy non-ferrous pans. I strongly advised against that.
I was replying to Gaburko's post

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What's the point of having superior pans on inferior hob? I mean, instead of buying a pan, just invest that money into induction.
Your point makes sense if you own your own property, but I don't see anyone investing in their landlord's kitchen.

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And the only advantage of gas is that you can use any old pan that is lying around. Gas is just a solution with the lowest investment point, also in professional cooking, hardware is simply just cheaper. And not just hardware, smaller professional stove uses same power as a whole apartment unit, good luck connecting a whole new restaurant kitchen to electrical grid.

For someone boasting "Michelin star experience" you have a suspiciously confused explanation of priorities in cooking hardware.
That isn't the only advantage of gas though, is it?
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Migros have 40% off pots and plans this week.



We were given 'sets' as wedding gifts many years ago. Ended up that we only needed a few items. I wouldn't bother buying a whole set.


For our family (of 5!)we have a few items that are used almost every day:
One larger frypan, one small (but we don't even use the largest size, as it crowds the stofetop). One large saucepan, two medium sized ones. (largest is used for cooking rice and pasta, others generally for veg).



Luxury item, not strictly needed, but nice to have is a frypan specifically for cooking pancakes/crepes.



That's it.



And a tip for lids, get frypans that match the diameter of the saucepans, and then just one lid...it's rare that we want lids for both at the same time.



And one strainer/colander for draining pasta etc . We have two because one of my kids cannot have gluten (coeliac disease) so his gluten free pasta is cooked separately.


For steaming, we have one of these:

https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s2/product...E&gclsrc=aw.ds


Fits inside the saucepan with the lid on.



For saucepans we prefer heavy-based stainless steel. For frying, non stick coated ones.
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It's hard to put a price on something that you'll use every day.

You wouldn't (be sensible to) cheap out on a bed and mattress - you spend a third of your life there - I see cooking the same - no point cheaping out on products or ingredients, after all, it is the stuff that sustains you and eating poorly cooked and / or poor quality food often leads to problems down the line.
I use my cookware every day and the set cost me 300chf... oh look, I just put a price on that! By your logic you could just buy anything for any silly price and then just justify it by saying: "Ooh you can't put a price on something you use every day". Hilarious.
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Good value is still relatively subjective, depending on your criteria. I certainly wouldn't make a comparison with something Swiss made with that in China for example - not the least of which are ethical considerations
You can of course compare the two in terms of build quality and overall value. Many high-end cookware is made in China and it will very likely be as good or better quality as anything made in Switzerland (that isn't hand-made) as it is made to certain standards using high-tech machinery. The same machinery used worldwide.

Ethical considerations are also purely subjective and I am not sure what serious ethical considerations there are with buying a pan made in China? Probably not enough to make me waste 130chf on one overpriced frying pan just to say itö's made in CH, when I could get a set of good quality cookware for the same price made elsewhere.

But of course you can do what you want with your money and attach whatever subjective value to whatever you buy, that's your right.

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One pan. Not a set.
EDIT - Ok I clicked the correct link now... starting at 2.5k, WTF!
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Whether or not I am a troll is something that still appears to be up for debate.

Whether your are parsimonious is less up for debate. Many thanks to the user who sent me this link, but who shall remain anonymous...

https://www.englishforum.ch/general-...y-bedroom.html

So, you see, we all assign different values for things. I wouldn't think of looking for sub £100 paintings of Bond-lite imagery to put up in my house, but each to their own.
You'd think parsimony would include not spending anything on such lavish and unnecessary things as plants and pictures. Silver cookware is an extravagance too far for my tastes. Your reasoning does not sway me at all from the idea that steel is perfect for cooking.
Do you also use silver cutlery or are are you more into solid gold because it adds a sense of risk to inviting dinner guests over?
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Your reasoning does not sway me at all from the idea that steel is perfect for cooking.
Just as well I'm not a door to door silver pan salesman, I suppose.

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Do you also use silver cutlery or are are you more into solid gold because it adds a sense of risk to inviting dinner guests over?
I wouldn't subject my guests to anything quite so gaudy.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

What a load of fuss about pans. I've been cooking extensively for over 50 years now, starting in childhood and have never used anything very expensive. Probably the most expensive thing I've had was a red Le Creuset casserole given to us as a wedding gift in 1986. Unfortunately it slid off the draining board one night after being washed up and ended up with a huge chunk out of it just after it went out of warranty. I never bothered replacing it and they are far too heavy for me now.

I have a set I bought from Conforama for 60 francs 4 years ago, a few IKEA bits, a couple of pans I bought for about 35 francs in Marktkauf at the Rheincenter and a few bits I brought from my kitchen in Scotland including 2 slow cookers. In my kitchen back in Scotland I have non stick pans I bought from BHS in 1987 and they're still going strong.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Okay folks, I've done a clean-up because this is getting out of hand. Play the ball, not the player and all that, please. And thanks.
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Pots, WMF line made in Germany
I second that.

As for pans in my experience whatever you buy, unless it is on a more expensive side, is gonna deteriorate in a couple of years.
I think I have tried almost everything from Migros.
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