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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Since the OP is in Lausanne he/she should check out the Outlet centre behind the Ikea in Allaman. There is a Kuhn Rikon factory store as well as a Tefal store. There might be something interesting in one or the other.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

I switched to using ceramic fry pans a few years ago after reading about the regular Teflon / non-stick coated ones not being safe to use once they become scratched (and mine always seemed to become scratched rather quickly). Apparently, ceramic coated pans are safer... or so I've read.

I bought this set of Bratmaxx ceramic pans from the Westfalia website a year or so ago, and they've held up beautifully. I'm still a bit shocked, actually -- considering how cheap they were (37 CHF for a set of three pans!). They can be washed in the dishwasher no problem, the non-stick ceramic coating works really well; and so far, mine haven't scratched very easily at all. The ones I bought were all copper-colored on the outside, but I see that the same set is now being sold there in a different color combination:

https://www.westfalia-versand.ch/sho...roduktdaten+CH
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Since the OP is in Lausanne he/she should check out the Outlet centre behind the Ikea in Allaman. There is a Kuhn Rikon factory store as well as a Tefal store. There might be something interesting in one or the other.
Good recommendation - this is where I bought our pans
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

I am going to replace all our Kuhn/Tefal nonstick stuff with ceramic. I don't trust any teflon after cca 2 years. I have been meaning to do that for years..Same with any plastic/silicon and melamine.
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..... As for pans in my experience whatever you buy, unless it is on a more expensive side, is gonna deteriorate in a couple of years.
I think I have tried almost everything from Migros.
I disagree. The pans I bought in 1985 (from Migros) are still doing a great job. All the others came and went.

They don't make them as they used to.
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The only advantage of gas is you can char things directly on flame. Otherwise is inferior to induction. Expect for cooks who cannot adapt.
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I am going to replace all our Kuhn/Tefal nonstick stuff with ceramic. I don't trust any teflon after cca 2 years. I have been meaning to do that for years..Same with any plastic/silicon and melamine.
Just a world of warning: the debate around Teflon/ceramic come out of PR departments of companies and you have to take it with a little bit of salt. It's not all that bad with Teflon and the reasoning that ceramic is made of "natural materials" and safer is not necessary true. I mean, lead and uranium are also natural materials.
In my opinion it is more important that we have both: coated (teflon or ceramic) and uncoated (iron or steel) pans and use them accordingly. Frying, grilling, searing goes in second, sautéing and sweating in first. For wet cooking stainless is again the best. People were just using coated pans for everything, with proper use also Teflon pans last very long.

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The only advantage of gas is you can char things directly on flame. Otherwise is inferior to induction. Expect for cooks who cannot adapt.
What should they expect?
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The only advantage of gas is you can char things directly on flame. Otherwise is inferior to induction. Expect for cooks who cannot adapt.
I would disagree. Nothing beats gas in my opinion but induction is a very close second and does have the advantage of being easier to clean.
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I would disagree. Nothing beats gas in my opinion but induction is a very close second and does have the advantage of being easier to clean.
There are other advantages - it is more energy efficient - less wasteful of energy efficient.

It is safer - if you take a pan off the hob and touch the hob, you won't get burnt - it's not that hot.

There is a child lock.

There is a 'pause' control - i.e. for when the doorbell rings.

There is a timer.

It's as fast as gas - with the right pans.

The only advantage I'd say that gas has is, unless you have an induction wok facility, is for wok cooking as the heat from gas heats the sides of the wok as well as the base.

Having said all that, if I gave induction 10 out of 10 and gas 8 out of 10, in a fair comparison, I'd give glas-keramik 1 out of 10 because it's just so bl**dy awful in every aspect.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Gas burning creates awful greasy sticky waste in the air around the cooking area (which one inhales, actually, in microscopic amounts, before it sits), I am glad I switched to induction long ago. Yes - it reacts with a delay but one can work with it.

I have my eyes on cast iron pans, one deeper for stews and one shallower for flat stuff, but they are expensive. Ikea - I am not so sure about.

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Having said all that, if I gave induction 10 out of 10 and gas 8 out of 10, in a fair comparison, I'd give glas-keramik 1 out of 10 because it's just so bl**dy awful in every aspect.
I dunno, I have glass ceramic at home and I managed to cook a full bottle of oil on it a few weeks ago. Turned on the wrong hob, walked away for 2 minutes, came back to a sticky mess a freshly oiled countertop.
Try that with your fancy induction cooker.
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Hi everyone,


I am looking to get some good pots for cooking at home and I would like your advice.


I've found online on Galaxus some sets of up to 11 pieces, for 300 CHF. Seems too good to be true, and upon checking the same brand on amazon, the reviews are indeed not great.

Q1: are there any other online shops where I can search for pots/pans ?


On the other side of the spectrum, I've seen some of those kuhn rikon pots in the showroom, which are ~200 a piece.

Q2: Are they really worth that much ?


I've looked in neighbouring France (AliceDelice in Thoiry), and they have Cristel. Looks like the French variant of Kuhn. Same Q: are they really worth it ? Their pans don't have great reviews online.

For the pans, I'd be interested in not getting cancer, so I'm looking at non-PTFE ones, but cannot find many in CH, especially any where people don't complain that the non-stick is lost after a few months.

Q3: Can you please recommend some quality pans that don't give cancer and, ideally, don't stick?


Thanks in advance for your take on any of these questions. I'm looking forward to hearing your experience !


Cheers!


https://www.amazon.es/Tefal-Aroma-sa...6703587&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.es/Tefal-Intuitio...en&sr=1-9&th=1
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Having said all that, if I gave induction 10 out of 10 and gas 8 out of 10, in a fair comparison, I'd give glas-keramik 1 out of 10 because it's just so bl**dy awful in every aspect.
how would you rate an electric plate hob then?
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I would disagree. Nothing beats gas in my opinion but induction is a very close second and does have the advantage of being easier to clean.
And more ecological
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Didn't read the entire thread but I have ordered both from Galaxus and Amazon, both usually have better prices than stores.

I have used trough years WMF different lines, Cucina & Tavola, Tefal, Thomas (Rosenthal), Staub, La Creuset, Kuhn Rikon, and Fissler.

Fissler professional line is best by far: food tastes better, cooks well - heat distribution good, handles not hot, most difficult to burn, easy to clean. The only downside is that they are heavy (if not counting the price).

But even without accounting for other pluses spending less time on cleaning is worth the price difference for me in the long run.
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I have used trough years WMF different lines, Cucina & Tavola, Tefal, Thomas (Rosenthal), Staub, La Creuset, Kuhn Rikon, and Fissler.

Fissler professional line is best by far: food tastes better, cooks well - heat distribution good, handles not hot, most difficult to burn, easy to clean. The only downside is that they are heavy (if not counting the price).

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I'm still using the first stuff I ever bought. None of it has worn out apart from a couple of cheap non-stick pans which I know wouldn't last.
I've added to it but never needed to replace anything.

I'm wondering what you do to yours to get through, what would appear to be, so many?
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In the cold season, I am cooking in the house on an induction electric hob...in the warm season, in the summer house(sometimes called my office) on the gas hob with propane/butane...what a difference...that cooked on gas are much tastier...or maybe is just because eating outside on the terrace make much tastier...as the pots and pans I always use this brand is cheap and good: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
But anyway pans I am changing every 2 years as the Teflon, Ceramic surface tends to worn out...
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I'm still using the first stuff I ever bought. None of it has worn out apart from a couple of cheap non-stick pans which I know wouldn't last.
I've added to it but never needed to replace anything.

I'm wondering what you do to yours to get through, what would appear to be, so many?
We cook a lot. Actually I still have most of them but did throw away some.

Pans got warn off after a while. Many claiming to be non-stick were not, threw away all C&Ts and non-steel WMF ones as their upper layers became thorn off. Tefal is still fine but I use the teflon one only for crepes as am not fan of teflon. Steel teflon is OK-ish, but WMF and Fissler steel of better quality, so use it only if I am out of clean pans.

Thomas pan got destroyed frying "irmik helva". Really disappointing...

In the end except for crepes I use almost exclusively steel pans -easiest to deal with. I use also cast iron for meat but definitely not for eggs, too much hassle to clean for the type of dishes I make and they don't turn out better.

I burnt badly some pots a couple of times. WMFs could get cleaned even though it looked desperate but C&T was totally messed up so WMF is of better quality than C&T (though not only in this aspect).
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I bought a set of 'Cucina & Tavola Gastro' saucepans from Migros. I'm obvously more the pasta and pot noodle end of the culinary scale.
8+ years later still as new. Spot welded handles.

The other half bought Le Creuset griddle/frying and casserole pans.
All good but too heavy in my opinion.



I can concur that the Migro line above holds up well and is great for sauces, eggs, etc.
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I switched to using ceramic fry pans a few years ago after reading about the regular Teflon / non-stick coated ones not being safe to use once they become scratched (and mine always seemed to become scratched rather quickly). Apparently, ceramic coated pans are safer... or so I've read. I bought this set of Bratmaxx ceramic pans from the Westfalia website a year or so ago, and they've held up beautifully. I'm still a bit shocked, actually -- considering how cheap they were (37 CHF for a set of three pans!). [/url]
Real porcelain enamel ceramic coated cookware (eg. Le Creuset, Xtrema) is usually considered safe until you scratch it (which most people eventually do) but cheap ones like this (commonly and confusingly also marketed as "ceramic-coated", but more accurately known as "quasi-ceramic non-stick cookware") are not very different from classic non-stick, and have documented risks. The whole "ceramic-coated" marketing schtick falls very much into the target space of this rant.

There are actually only two basic, safe and inert cooking materials in common use:

- Glass: eg. Corning Visions pots and pans
- Stainless steel: 18/8 or 18/10 (304 or 316) steel eg. WMF

After that there are 1. iron, which is great but there is some relationship (not necessarily causal) with Alzheimer's; and 2. properly made ceramic bakeware, which can be great I personally would avoid because of the regular recurrence of lead/cadmium issues even from expensive makers (every time someone tries to reduce costs somewhere, these issues come back).
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