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Buying advice for pots/pans

Hi everyone,


I am looking to get some good pots for cooking at home and I would like your advice.


I've found online on Galaxus some sets of up to 11 pieces, for 300 CHF. Seems too good to be true, and upon checking the same brand on amazon, the reviews are indeed not great.

Q1: are there any other online shops where I can search for pots/pans ?


On the other side of the spectrum, I've seen some of those kuhn rikon pots in the showroom, which are ~200 a piece.

Q2: Are they really worth that much ?


I've looked in neighbouring France (AliceDelice in Thoiry), and they have Cristel. Looks like the French variant of Kuhn. Same Q: are they really worth it ? Their pans don't have great reviews online.

For the pans, I'd be interested in not getting cancer, so I'm looking at non-PTFE ones, but cannot find many in CH, especially any where people don't complain that the non-stick is lost after a few months.

Q3: Can you please recommend some quality pans that don't give cancer and, ideally, don't stick?


Thanks in advance for your take on any of these questions. I'm looking forward to hearing your experience !


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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

I bought this one about a year ago. I use it close to daily and still the coating is as good as new. I recommend it.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s2/product...ts-pans-322155
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

I received some good advice within this thread https://www.englishforum.ch/food-dri...ed-please.html

POTS AND PANS:

I advise against non-stick cookware due to how quickly it can wear and degrade, there is no need to have anything teflon unless you have a very specific requirement (for gentle cooking of delicate things like crepes it can be useful). Buy tri-ply stainless steel pans and carbon steel frying pans and you will have a set that will last many, many years. What is tri-play cookware https://blog.metrokitchen.com/guides...re%20as%20well.

IKEA 365+ saucepans are, amazingly for the price, Tri-ply (made in China of course, but then so is most stuff). I don't have them but they are well-reviewed https://www.ikea.com/ch/en/p/ikea-36...lass-90256746/

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I use Carbon Steel frying pans, which cook amazingly well as they are thick so distribute and retain heat well and cook very evenly (don't turn the heat too high!). They also give food that gorgeous browning and crust. You have to first 'season' them and then they become non-stick, much like Teflon without the downsides, though they require a little care and maintenance in the way you clean them to stay that way (don't use soap or harsh abrasives). I have the 22cm (smaller omelettes), 24cm (larger omelettes) and 30cm (for large meat items) versions of these: De Buyer Carbone Plus https://www.debuyer-brandshop.com/ep.../Products/5110

Seasoning guide for carbon steel / cast-iron pans (not stainless steel, which doesn't need seasoning):

1. Pre-heat an oven to 220c.

2. Get a paper towel, put a SMALL amount of vegetable oil on it and put a SUPER THIN layer all over the pan. There should be NO DRIPS or streaking. It should be so thin that it provides only the lightest, barely-visible coating, like it just looks 'mildly damp' and discoloured. DO NOT be tempted to say: "Oh, it looks like there's nothing on there because it's not so visible and wet looking" and then put more on. If you put too much oil on, you may end up with a bumpy or uneven surface, which is not ideal. It should appear smooth and glazed and will become more so after multiple paper thin layers. If in doubt, get a fresh paper town and wipe the excess oil off until it "looks" almost dry. That's how little oil should be on there.

3. Put upside down into 220c oven for 1 hour.

4. Turn off oven and let it cool inside the oven.

5. Repeat the process a minimum of 3 times, preferably 6-8 times if you want it to last. It's a labour of love and consider it learning a new life skill.

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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

Frying pans, we love Kuhn Rikon Multiply with Titanium coating made in Switzerland - I don't think we'll consider anything else

Pots, WMF line made in Germany
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Frying pans, we love Kuhn Rikon Multiply with Titanium coating made in Switzerland - I don't think we'll consider anything else
1 small 20cm pan... 125chf? Crazily overpriced for what are essentially tri-ply stainless steel pans... you can get a set of De Buyer (which are produced in France) for that. I guess the "swiss made" tag adds a hell of a lot to the price.

I am sure they are good tri-ply pans, but in my opinion no way are they actually worth that price individually when for the same money you can buy multiple other high-quality pans that at least will perform as well.
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I bought this one about a year ago. I use it close to daily and still the coating is as good as new. I recommend it.

https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s2/product...ts-pans-322155
yes I also have. Had it 3 years and the surface is like new
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1 small 20cm pan... 125chf? Crazily overpriced for what are essentially tri-ply stainless steel pans... you can get a set of De Buyer (which are produced in France) for that. I guess the "swiss made" tag adds a hell of a lot to the price.

I am sure they are good tri-ply pans, but in my opinion no way are they actually worth that price individually when for the same money you can buy multiple other high-quality pans that at least will perform as well.
Years after living en Suisse, sticker shock has modified & I like to try & buy things made here - I recognize a good deal of quality can come at a price. These pans will last a long time and even now, they still look brand new but most importantly they function ideally
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Years after living en Suisse, sticker shock has modified & I like to try & buy things made here - I recognize a good deal of quality can come at a price. These pans will last a long time and even now, they still look brand new but most importantly they function ideally
I have no doubt it's a good pan, but it is not good value and likely of no discernably better quality than many of those made in china to a good standard. In this case, made in Switzerland is more for the buyers own peace of mind and ethical considerations than anything else.

For 130chf you can buy 2x carbon steel frying pans and 2 or 3 tri-ply saucepans which will provide far, far greater utility while still lasting many years.
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I have extensive experience of Michelin star level cooking and can tell you one thing; A good set of pots and pans will last a lifetime and it cannot be overstated how important they are to the cooking process.

I cannot look past Duparquet - their solid silver cookware range is incredible. Silver is the most conductive metal used in cookery and the results are outstanding. Even the silver lined products are worthwhile if you can't afford to go for the full solild silver range...

https://duparquet.com/products
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I have extensive experience of Michelin star level cooking and can tell you one thing; A good set of pots and pans will last a lifetime and it cannot be overstated how important they are to the cooking process.

I cannot look past Duparquet - their solid silver cookware range is incredible. Silver is the most conductive metal used in cookery and the results are outstanding. Even the silver lined products are worthwhile if you can't afford to go for the full solild silver range...

https://duparquet.com/products
Yeah, because the average person is clearly running a michelin star quality kitchen and needs to spend 3000chf on a set of solid silver pans...
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I bought a set of 'Cucina & Tavola Gastro' saucepans from Migros. I'm obvously more the pasta and pot noodle end of the culinary scale.
8+ years later still as new. Spot welded handles.

The other half bought Le Creuset griddle/frying and casserole pans.
All good but too heavy in my opinion.
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Yeah, because the average person is clearly running a michelin star quality kitchen and needs to spend 3000chf on a set of solid silver pans...
It's hard to put a price on something that you'll use every day.

You wouldn't (be sensible to) cheap out on a bed and mattress - you spend a third of your life there - I see cooking the same - no point cheaping out on products or ingredients, after all, it is the stuff that sustains you and eating poorly cooked and / or poor quality food often leads to problems down the line.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

When we moved here, 13 years ago, we needed something that worked on induction, so we bought a small set of demeyre. They’re great, not too heavy, go in the dishwasher.

I have one nonstick, which I replace every couple of years. We have a Kuhn Rikon granite finish....it was inexpensive from the outlet,


I also have a Debuyer mineral b carbon steel, which I need to season.

But the demeyre work really well, clean up fabulously and are light.
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I have no doubt it's a good pan, but it is not good value and likely of no discernably better quality than many of those made in china to a good standard. In this case, made in Switzerland is more for the buyers own peace of mind and ethical considerations than anything else.

For 130chf you can buy 2x carbon steel frying pans and 2 or 3 tri-ply saucepans which will provide far, far greater utility while still lasting many years.
Good value is still relatively subjective, depending on your criteria. I certainly wouldn't make a comparison with something Swiss made with that in China for example - not the least of which are ethical considerations
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Considering almost everyone is moving toward induction hobs, including top chefs- by choice or necessity - I'd say buying expensive copper pans (which don't work on induction hobs, would be like throwing money down the drain.

But you aren't really recommending their silver lined - copper pans - you're recommending their solid solid silver pans - where a saute pan is 12,500 dollars.

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Migros has a 50% sale from time to time on their pots and pans, which I use when buying coated pans.
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I just tallied up Duparquet's silver pans (the full set they offer will run up to USD 54'000...), not counting the cost and inconvenience of installing a safe in the kitchen...

I like the idea of cooking on silver except that it won't work on an induction hob...
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Yeah, because the average person is clearly running a michelin star quality kitchen and needs to spend 3000chf on a set of solid silver pans...
One pan. Not a set.

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At least he's honest about it compared with the Michelin-starred chefs on this forum - there are at least two apparently.
I very much doubt whether anyone can compete with the great Tom from Ticino.
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Re: Buying advice for pots/pans

To the OP: I bought a large diameter saute pan recently. Unwilling to spend 300 CHF, let alone 12,900 CHF on one, I bought one at Ikea for 39CHF. It works on induction and comes with a lid too.

It's steel and not non-stick but it works brilliantly.

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