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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

Juice is sugar and water, nothing less, nothing more other than a few extra vitamins. Taking a multivitamin with sugar water is likely just as good. Better if you avoid the sugar.

Sugar is carbs. Carbs in moderation are OK. Too many is not. Carbs in isolation of proteins and fats is not a balanced diet
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Old 17.09.2020, 11:32
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I don't calorie count and eat tons of food, just try to keep it nutritional and healthy. I avoid useless calories. Have never fasted or gone on fad diets. I always keep an eye on my weight and the mirror, if it goes 3kgs up, I bring it back down instantly. Everyone in my family is overweight.

When I was running a lot of kms a week + training in the gym, I was 59-62kgs. I have not run for a year due to injury, so was worried that not being able to run might increase my weight. I kept doing the gym part, and ate exactly the same, and I am luckily still at 62kgs

I don't juice because losing all that fibre is silly, but I do take healthy smoothies on hard gym days, on top of my regular food.

Healthy bodies are made in the kitchen mainly and not in the gym. Yes, I eat carbs too as your body needs it! Good carbs vs bad carbs.
62kgs? How are you even still alive?
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Old 17.09.2020, 11:33
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

Not enough fat on a wild zebra! I have been mostly on a once daily ribeye (sometimes with free range eggs) which would have bankrupted me in CH. Thankfully, beef in Spain is quite reasonable; even grass fed/finished.

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"Full carnivore?"

I just imagined people posting photos in that group of themselves devouring a zebra.
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Old 17.09.2020, 11:45
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62kgs? How are you even still alive?

I know BMI on its own does not mean much but I have a BMI of 20-21. I don't look starved or anything like that.


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Old 17.09.2020, 11:49
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

After about 18 months of IF, I look forward to a 2.5 day fast and do it whenever I feel the need... usually starting Sunday after an early dinner and then "refeed" with lunch on Wednesday. Days 2 and 3 I actually feel quite sharp mentally and not too hungry. I never get the "keto flu" as I hydrate with a lot of water + sparkling water with Himalayan salt added. Some folks add additional electrolytes. Not eating is easier for me than OMAD, and 2-3 day fasting gets me into ketosis quickly (and the autophagy benefits).

It took me 5 yrs to get to this point, as I tried numerous "lifestyle changes" that didn't work for me. I am still experimenting as I think I have developed some sensitivities to foods that I ate for 50+ yrs (possibly gluten/dairy/nightshades/fermented stuff). Difficult to pinpoint and hoping it is not red wine!

Carnivore is the easiest exclusion diet (for me), so starting to experiment with the above mentioned foods to see how I react. So far, so good...

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I remember when weekend cleanses were all the rage in the 80s and trying it out. You started on Friday night and went through until Sunday night. It involved living on clear soup and having one very small meal a day of salad or steamed green veg with a very small piece of fish or chicken. I lost 6 lbs during the course of the weekend, felt lethargic, light headed with a stinking headache and when it came to going back to work on Monday morning I felt like sh1t

I couldn't do a juice diet as I had my gall bladder removed back in 2014, so I now process some foods differently and have to be careful as I can get bile acid malabsorption from time to time - a bit like IBS and it has you reaching for Immodium Instants. I don't get it often but never go anywhere without them in my handbag.
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Old 17.09.2020, 11:58
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

While I understand what you are saying here, for me, juicing (mostly green juices) and souping gave me a lot of insight into what I was eating on a daily basis. My diet has been pretty healthy, as Wife and I cook almost all of our meals at home. We don't use sugar at all but probably consumed a bit too much pasta/rice/potatoes in the past.

While juicing, I would go to the store with a list and each day know exactly what i consumed, 4 to 5 times/day. I was actually surprised by the insight this gave me and made me think a lot about what "processed" food really is.

In any case, YMMV. It won't work long term if it doesn't fit into your lifestyle of choice.

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You have fallen hook line and sinker for the jargons of this pseudo science of detoxing. If you want to start a healthier lifestyle, start small. its like long distance running, not a bike ride or a sprint. Start with a 12 hour fast maybe. Just skipping the breakfast will drive you insane in the first weeks because its your mind you are fighting against.
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Old 17.09.2020, 12:29
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I know BMI on its own does not mean much but I have a BMI of 20-21. I don't look starved or anything like that.
Just short. And wiry, I guess, with all that gym work.

But yeah, BMI is not a very good measure on an individual basis. It's never seemed right for me - I've only rarely been down below 25 in the last twenty-odd years, only really when I was recovering from major trauma and my muscles had wasted away.

These days I use the BMI more as an indicator that I need to do some more weights and pump up the leg muscles than a sign to cut down on eating.
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Just short. And wiry, I guess, with all that gym work.

Yes a midget at 175cm
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Old 17.09.2020, 13:37
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I lost 6 lbs during the course of the weekend, felt lethargic, light headed with a stinking headache and when it came to going back to work on Monday morning I felt like sh1t
Sounds like caffeine withdrawal.
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Old 17.09.2020, 13:53
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

My boyfriend and I did the Biotta Wellness Woche during the last week of July. In short: we're happy we did it - and happy when it was over. Would we do it again? YES.

To summarize:
1. Its purpose is NOT to lose weight, so whoever wants to try this as a means of dieting, don't do it. (my boyfriend lost 5kg, and gained 4 back, I lost 3 and gained it back. but this was not an issue for us as we didn't do it to lose weight)

2. Hunger can be dealt with- you do get used to it.

3. Hardest part for me was not to have anything to look forward to: when you stop eating, you realize what a joy cooking & eating delicious food is. I took these things for granted. I really felt sad for people who have a medical condition that need to be tube fed their whole life....

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My brother ended up being borderline diabetic by consuming too much juice, as diagnosed by his GP and a consultant nutritionist. At the time, he was drinking 2lts per day and was a proper gym bunny because he was coaching a sports team. He only ever drinks diluted juice now.

All things in moderation.
With the juice detox, you're not supposed to drink 2 liters of JUICE. You're supposed to drink 2 liter of water or herbal tea per day, NOT juice.

5. The Biotta Wellness Woche comes with a proper plan, see attached pictures

6. We normally go to the gym 5-6 times a week, but during this period, we took a week off and gave ourselves a break. No energy for exercise.

7. I slept better.

A colleague of mine has done it twice and her skin cleared up. I already have pretty good skin, so did not see any difference but we did it to give our system a break from our daily intake. We eat very healthy to begin with, but from this experience, I have cut down chocolate (which I used to have a bit of everyday) by 90%, and our portions of food have become a bit smaller.

It was hard, I admit! Thank goodness I worked from home that week as I kept going to the bathroom every 10 min and work was quiet due to the summer holidays. We plan to do this once a year, and maybe a shorter version (3 days) every quarter.
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Not enough fat on a wild zebra! I have been mostly on a once daily ribeye (sometimes with free range eggs) which would have bankrupted me in CH. Thankfully, beef in Spain is quite reasonable; even grass fed/finished.
My grandfather was once on the Atkin's diet (no carbs) and it was apparently making him aggressive. He ended up assaulting a waiter in his nursing home with a pork chop, complaining that there wasn't enough meat on it.
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My grandfather was once on the Atkin's diet (no carbs) and it was apparently making him aggressive. He ended up assaulting a waiter in his nursing home with a pork chop, complaining that there wasn't enough meat on it.

I laughed loud.
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

Once per year? I mean, why bother?
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Old 17.09.2020, 21:47
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...I have been doing IF (intermittent fasting) for 3 + years and have taken the 30 pounds off but still have another 15 to go.

I was hopeless at the start (first 6 months) as I think I ate everything but the kitchen sink on fasting days when I ended my fast. But over time, I learned to listen to my body and I swear my stomach shrank as I cannot eat as much at one sitting as I used to...
FYI there are many varieties of IF, and people don't need to be a strict as they often are when trying such an approach.

One of the more popular IF formats is 5:2. On five days of the week the person eats a "normal" or "maintenance" calorie intake appropriate for height, weight, and weight loss goals. On two days (not consecutive) the person eats about 500 calories. This allows a weekly calorie reduction that's more manageable for some, as they don't have to starve themselves completely for entire days, nor do they have to restrict intake every day of the week.

One meal a day (OMAD) is basically slammer's approach - eating all the allotted calories for the day in one sitting.

There's also 16:8 and other "hour" varieties, where the person fasts for 16 hours and eats all the allotted calories within an 8 hour time window.
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

All of these juice only diet detox fads are imo absolute BS. I also investigated and tried it once and I found it unscientific nonsense. Living on juice only for X days raises your sugar (fructose especially) levels to way above normal at the same time as depriving your body of fibre and many other things it needs to stay in optimal condition. I felt terrible due to the extreme hunger and sugar spikes and lack of balanced nutrition and any weight loss was temporary.

If you want to lose fat, keep in shape and look and feel healthy then I can recommend:
  1. Stop drinking alcohol
  2. Drink plenty of water per day, around 3L
  3. Cut your daily calories and eat smaller portions than usual. Eat healthy and nutritionally balanced foods that are low in saturated fats
  4. Don't eat after 6pm on average weekdays, so that you have plenty of time to digest a meal before bed time. Going to bed without a full stomach (but also not hungry) is imo very important to getting a good nights sleep.
  5. Exercise regularly, both cardio (run, hike, bike, swim are imo the best core activities) and strength (a pull up bar at home is all you need)
  6. Go to bed between 9-11pm and get up between 5-7am.

Once you get into this life rhythm, which can intially require serious discipline and an iron will depending how ingrained your bad habits are, you will shed weight over the course of 6-9 months and build lean, long-lasting and functional muscle. Most importantly, you will FEEL healthy and mentally sharp.

There's no quick fix to a healthy lifestyle, it takes some time and effort and being consistent over the course of months.
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Old 18.09.2020, 09:01
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Re: Juice Diet/Cleanse

For a while, it seemed as though the Biotta Juice Diet was a female rite of passage on being inducted into Swiss society. One did it because everyone did it. If you refused to do it or stopped doing it, you were a failure.

Personally, I get more joy out of a Cafe Schnapps.
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