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Small detail concerning meat allowance cross the border

Yesterday, as my wife and daughter came back into Switzerland after shopping in Germany, they were stopped and their meat allowance checked.

My wife gets bags of frozen meat dumplings. They're 1.5kg 25% meat. On the outside of the bag, it says 375g meat, 1125g non-meat. According to the rules, any food preparations with sausage, meat or blood content of over 20 percent by weight, count as meat.

So the guard said that's 1.5kg of meat. You'll have to pay duty (they had bought other meat). My wife argued that the dumplings only count 375g. So the guard went to check - and she was right. It's the absolute volume of the meat that counts.

So next time you buy a frozen beef wellington remember it only 80% maybe counts as your meat allowance.
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Re: Small detail concerning meat allowance cross the border

Sounds odd, it should be 1.5kg

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So the guard said that's 1.5kg of meat. You'll have to pay duty (they had bought other meat). My wife argued that the dumplings only count 375g. So the guard went to check - and she was right. It's the absolute volume of the meat that counts.
Don't you actually mean absolute weight (or more correctly, mass) rather than volume?
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Don't you actually mean absolute weight (or more correctly, mass) rather than volume?

Weight is correct in this instance, but volume clearly isn't.
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So next time you buy a frozen beef wellington remember it only 80% maybe counts as your meat allowance.

I'm sure the rules are if it's more than 20% meat, it counts as meat. The guard was probably just giving you a break.
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My wife gets bags of frozen meat dumplings. They're 1.5kg 25% meat. On the outside of the bag, it says 375g meat, 1125g non-meat. According to the rules, any food preparations with sausage, meat or blood content of over 20 percent by weight, count as meat.
IMHO your women got lucky and were let go by a lenient guard, who may have decided that the less than 20 CHF duty isn't worth the hassle to begin with.

I wouldn't try that again.
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IMHO your women got lucky and were let go by a lenient guard, who may have decided that the less than 20 CHF duty isn't worth the hassle to begin with.
I agree. The rule OP quotes says 20%, and the dumplings were 25%. So the whole thing should have counted as meat. The border guard didn't feel like fighting.
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Yesterday, as my wife and daughter came back into Switzerland after shopping in Germany, they were stopped and their meat allowance checked.

My wife gets bags of frozen meat dumplings. They're 1.5kg 25% meat. On the outside of the bag, it says 375g meat, 1125g non-meat. According to the rules, any food preparations with sausage, meat or blood content of over 20 percent by weight, count as meat.

So the guard said that's 1.5kg of meat. You'll have to pay duty (they had bought other meat). My wife argued that the dumplings only count 375g. So the guard went to check - and she was right. It's the absolute volume of the meat that counts.

So next time you buy a frozen beef wellington remember it only 80% maybe counts as your meat allowance.
Your wife was very lucky to get away with that logic. I wouldn't try that again
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Re: Small detail concerning meat allowance cross the border

Apart from the customs duty issue, it says a lot about our approach to food that by today's regulations something containing 20% meat qualifies as meat.
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Re: Small detail concerning meat allowance cross the border

The custom ordinances are not clear and not compatible with the food law and ordinances.

The custom ordinances says that you can import up to 1 kg of Fleisch/Meat and Fleischerzeugnisse/Meat products.
Art. 65 ZV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a65
Annex 1 ZV-EFD https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...tml#app1ahref1

According to that the it looks like the gross weight is relevant.

In none of the customs ordinance is the 20% mentioned. All I could find was FAQ etc. such as this one https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/de/home...severkehr.html


But the food law on the other hand knows next to that also Fleischzubereitungen/Meat preparations.
Art. 4 VLtH https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a4

The canton of Solothurn has this handy list with examples what is what.
https://so.ch/fileadmin/internet/ddi...rzeugnisse.pdf
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Sounds odd, it should be 1.5kg

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That's what I thought. But the guard was in training, went away to check with her superiors and said it was correct to take the stated weight of meat on the package. So I doubt very much it was just being nice about it.

Perhaps clear labelling of the meat by weight makes the difference. (It's not just small in the nutritional information or ingredients, it's emblazoned on the front of the package).

I'm just glad they didn't find the half a cow hidden in the sidewalls.
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The custom ordinances are not clear and not compatible with the food law and ordinances.
It looks like the 20% limit is defined in the Zolltarife, which are determined by the respective ordinance.

For instance find Chapter 16 "Zubereitungen von Fleisch, ..." in the Generaltarif provided here.
"Zu diesem Kapitel gehören Nahrungsmittelzubereitungen mit einem Gehalt von mehr als 20 Gewichtsprozent an Wurst, Fleisch, ...."
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Perhaps clear labelling of the meat by weight makes the difference. (It's not just small in the nutritional information or ingredients, it's emblazoned on the front of the package).
I would expect clear labeling to be a requirement in order to provide the data to make that distinction. And you don't know what the border guard actually asked, what information was provided.
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Re: Small detail concerning meat allowance cross the border

plot twist: the guard set up OP's wife for a serious infraction next time they try to bring more meat products


plot twist2: OP is the guard themselves, trying to set up EF'ers
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It looks like the 20% limit is defined in the Zolltarife, which are determined by the respective ordinance.

For instance find Chapter 16 "Zubereitungen von Fleisch, ..." in the Generaltarif provided here.
"Zu diesem Kapitel gehören Nahrungsmittelzubereitungen mit einem Gehalt von mehr als 20 Gewichtsprozent an Wurst, Fleisch, ...."

I would expect clear labeling to be a requirement in order to provide the data to make that distinction. And you don't know what the border guard actually asked, what information was provided.
Correct and is clearly stated in the customs booklet that can be found at the Zoll station ( douane).
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