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Ha haa. I was once in an Indian restaurant in Singapore and ordered a "chai," thinking I was going to get the spiced tea drink that you get in the States. Boy, was I wrong. It was just normal tea.
In every country that produced tea or traded it early on tea is called chai. Be it Asia, Africa or Southern Europe i.e. Portugal. The "English" called it "t.e.a" because that was what it said on the ship: "Transporte de Ervas Aromaticas" or at least that is how the story goes
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I like how much people know about coffee here in CH without making it a big deal.

Not sure what you meant here.

Do you mean people have no passion in their coffee making?

Not sure it's what you are suggesting in that they know so much about it as coffee is pretty mediocre here, especially when compared with countries like Australia.
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Live & learn, chai simply means tea
Yeah, that's what I figured -- that chai must just mean "tea" in Hindi. And there I was, as a stupid American, hoping for some big frothy spicy thing.

This is what I just got on Google translate:

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Old 06.01.2021, 20:44
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Re: Espresso after dinner

It is in Slavic languages, too (čaj).
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coffee is pretty mediocre here, especially when compared with countries like Australia.
Only in your little German bubble.

And Australia?

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In every country that produced tea or traded it early on tea is called chai. Be it Asia, Africa or Southern Europe i.e. Portugal. The "English" called it "t.e.a" because that was what it said on the ship: "Transporte de Ervas Aromaticas" or at least that is how the story goes
This is a myth. In fact there seems to be two variations of this, one with cha and one with tea.

https://madrascourier.com/insight/the-etymology-of-tea/. (last paragraph)

The name tea is thought to have originated from Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_tea

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In every country that produced tea or traded it early on tea is called chai. Be it Asia, Africa or Southern Europe i.e. Portugal. The "English" called it "t.e.a" because that was what it said on the ship: "Transporte de Ervas Aromaticas" or at least that is how the story goes
Actually, tea originated in China and was brought to India by the British. The Chinese word for tea is cha, from whence the word chai was derived.
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Re: Espresso after dinner

What about Mellow Birds?
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And Australia?
Even the Espresso machines sold here by the Swiss manufacturer Solis are re-badged Australian designed machines.
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certainly isn't. if anything they only don't scorn it because there is nobody to scorn. but if an errant british or american turns up and tries to request one, you can be sure that not only would scorn flow, the request would be flatly denied!
I was never denied a cappuccino in the afternoon in Italy! Though they may have rolled their eyes behind my back
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Tomatoes are from South America but look at how Italy seems to use them in cuisine better than anyone else.
Mexico got em' beat imo
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I have my coffee with deserts. Civilized people call it cafe gourmand.

But like the OP do I also love my Kopi-O or Ca Phe Sua... basically a coffee with build in desert.
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This is a myth. In fact there seems to be two variations of this, one with cha and one with tea.

https://madrascourier.com/insight/the-etymology-of-tea/. (last paragraph)

The name tea is thought to have originated from Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_tea
It must be true, I read on BBC (see here http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/2017...-tea-obsession)

But its true that tea is called chai (different ways to write it) in many languages/countries
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I have my coffee with deserts.
That's because you are from north of the border.

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It must be true, I read on BBC (see here http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/2017...-tea-obsession)

But its true that tea is called chai (different ways to write it) in many languages/countries
You should have read the whole thing. From the link you gave:

... A fun legend has it that the crates were marked Transporte de Ervas Aromaticas (Transport of Aromatic Herbs) – later abbreviated to T.E.A.

That last bit probably isn’t true (etymologists believe the word ‘tea’ came from a transliteration of a Chinese character)...

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That's because you are from north of the border.

Tom
Nah, most Germans trink filter coffee all day long. The “with desert” thing is French... it’s a standard option on the desert menu: coffee with small samples of different deserts.
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I have my coffee with deserts. Civilized people call it cafe gourmand.

But like the OP do I also love my Kopi-O or Ca Phe Sua... basically a coffee with build in desert.
To wash the sand out of your throat?

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It must be true, I read on BBC (see here http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/2017...-tea-obsession)

But its true that tea is called chai (different ways to write it) in many languages/countries
In UK english it's char.
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Nah, most Germans trink filter coffee all day long. The “with desert” thing is French... it’s a standard option on the desert menu: coffee with small samples of different deserts.
Yes, but French coffee isn't.

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Re: Espresso after dinner

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Why? It's perfectly normal word, even the allegedly misspelt version, in many languages. It refers to the method of extraction, where the steam/water is pressed (literally, this is the translation of espresso) through the coffee.

The size of your espresso may vary by taste, and indeed by region (in Italy they tend to be much smaller, therefore, stronger, than in France, for example) but within a given area or country it's pretty much an understood and defined style and size of coffee.

Par contre, a "coffee" will vary very much more, especially in the UK or US where it would normally compare with an Americano or Lungo in size, so is in fact a much more ambiguous term.
That's a VERY antiquated etymology - esprimere, in modern Italian isn't used for pressing (you would use schiacciare or spremere now), but esprimere is more aroun expressing yourself


Either way, the French cannot do coffee. You get some weird "dishwasher water" (a term only an Italian would understand )
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You should have read the whole thing. From the link you gave:

... A fun legend has it that the crates were marked Transporte de Ervas Aromaticas (Transport of Aromatic Herbs) – later abbreviated to T.E.A.

That last bit probably isn’t true (etymologists believe the word ‘tea’ came from a transliteration of a Chinese character)...
I have. Hence the wink.
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