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Espresso after dinner

Most of my Swiss friends (and family) take an espresso after dinner. At home and in restaurants. Before the lockdown we had a final meal out and OH Godmother noticed we ordered espresso with dessert. She made a jokey comment about it being not proper etiquette. This suprised me.

Then we began to compare was it a German/Swiss german thing? (relating to kaffee/kuchen culture, plus she is from the romandie side)

I recall in Italy being told it was a faux pas to drink a cappucino in the afternoon.
So what are your habits, espresso after dinner with dessert ok? other coffee habits, Swiss or otherwise? (and don't get me started on swiss chicory coffee )
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:03
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I think people should be allowed to drink a coffee -- whatever type of coffee -- whenever they feel like it.
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Re: Espresso after dinner

I love my espresso/macchiatos - I have 2 in the morning but on occasion after a nice meal, even dinner (decaf) sometimes

Among my Suisse family, they regularly have it after dinner - the wrinkle is that they have it after the dessert rather than with which I would do if it were decaf

I remember once ordering a macchiato in Globus Foods in Lausanne when they had a bar/counter, I asked for it to go as I was in a hurry and she insisted (nicely) that to properly enjoy it I needed to sit and drink it. I obliged and thanked her as it was indeed better in a porcelain cup taking my time

The espresso in Italy (Milan, for me) was so incredible everywhere that on my first visit I couldn't say no whenever I smelled it - by the end of that day I had drank 8. Needless to say I was a real mess in terms of being twitchy by the end
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Re: Espresso after dinner

I'd say it's normal across most if Europe, and certainly not any different within East, West or South Switzerland. And yes, after dessert, I would say, not with it.

I don't often do so myself, but then that's usually because I'm going to carry on drinking afterwards. Don't often do dessert either, come to that.

Cappuccino is an abomination at any time of day, but the idea of Italians scorning people who drink it after 11am is, I think, largely a myth.
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Re: Espresso after dinner

The rules are universal. Espresso any time of the day, anything with milk in it only before 11 am.

Can we at least in one area accept the expertise of the Italians?
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I love my espresso/macchiatos - I have 2 in the morning but on occasion after a nice meal, even dinner (decaf) sometimes

Among my Suisse family, they regularly have it after dinner - the wrinkle is that they have it after the dessert rather than with which I would do if it were decaf

I think the main issue was having the espresso with the dessert. I have now also learnt it must be after...


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I remember once ordering a macchiato in Globus Foods in Lausanne when they had a bar/counter, I asked for it to go as I was in a hurry and she insisted (nicely) that to properly enjoy it I needed to sit and drink it. I obliged and thanked her as it was indeed better in a porcelain cup taking my time

The espresso in Italy (Milan, for me) was so incredible everywhere that on my first visit I couldn't say no whenever I smelled it - by the end of that day I had drank 8. Needless to say I was a real mess in terms of being twitchy by the end
same thing in Rome. I definately went crazy for the espresso there (also just all the food too...)



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The rules are universal. Espresso any time of the day, anything with milk in it only before 11 am.

Can we at least in one area accept the expertise of the Italians?

what about adding tons of milk to said espresso after 11 am?
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the idea of Italians scorning people who drink it after 11am is, I think, largely a myth.
certainly isn't. if anything they only don't scorn it because there is nobody to scorn. but if an errant british or american turns up and tries to request one, you can be sure that not only would scorn flow, the request would be flatly denied!

i do have an italian friend in New York who does it on principle as after 30 years outside italy he can't stand the conformism.
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:18
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Re: Espresso after dinner

I'm a bit hyperactive, so usually don't drink any coffee after 17h00 unless I want to stay awake until 3-4 AM. I take my dinner dessert with any 40% alcohol. Before coming to Switzerland I only knew rum and aged tequila, now I go for calvados, grappa, marc, ratafia from pinot noir, even williamine =)

Sometimes I'm really tired and have to drive home after dinner and I have an espresso along the sweet stuff, but it's more a survival thing than a habit.
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The rules are universal. Espresso any time of the day, anything with milk in it only before 11 am.

Can we at least in one area accept the expertise of the Italians?
My husband and his mother are both Italian, and they put hot milk in their espressos any time of day.

It's strange how some people get so hung up on traditions -- to such an extent that they think someone is wrong if they don't follow tradition. If someone tried to tell me that I was only allowed to have a certain type of coffee at a certain time of day, I'd probably tell them to F off.
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My husband and his mother are both Italian, and they put hot milk in their espressos any time of day.

It's strange how some people get so hung up on traditions -- to such an extent that they think someone is wrong if they don't follow tradition. If someone tried to tell me that I was only allowed to have a certain type of coffee at a certain time of day, I'd probably tell them to F off.
right. you probably know then that italians are very often like that. particularly with foreigners.

nothing wrong with small amount of milk in espresso any time. its cappuccino that is only for breakfast....
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right. you probably know then that italians are very often like that. particularly with foreigners.

nothing wrong with small amount of milk in espresso any time. its cappuccino that is only for breakfast....
Well, my Italian mother-in-law is normally very traditional and can be very controlling, but in other ways. I think she's learned her lesson, though, about trying to control me or boss me around. She actually got mad at me once for having a Buddha statue in my garden because she's Catholic.
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My husband and his mother are both Italian, and they put hot milk in their espressos any time of day.
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Well, my Italian mother-in-law is normally very traditional and can be very controlling, but in other ways. I think she's learned her lesson, though, about trying to control me or boss me around. She actually got mad at me once for having a Buddha statue in my garden because she's Catholic.
i'd classify that more as xenophobic and closed-minded than traditional.
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i'd classify that more as xenophobic and closed-minded than traditional.
I was using the garden Buddha incident as a reference to how controlling she is -- not how traditional she is (the fact that she expects me to not have a Buddha statue in my garden simply because SHE is Catholic). But I do think that there is a strong association between religion and tradition.
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I was using the garden Buddha incident as a reference to how controlling she is -- not how traditional she is (the fact that she expects me to not have a Buddha statue in my garden simply because SHE is Catholic). But I do think that there is a strong association between religion and tradition.
there's not much else to keep religion going but tradition
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The rules are universal. Espresso any time of the day, anything with milk in it only before 11 am.

Can we at least in one area accept the expertise of the Italians?
Exactly this. It's not challenging.

Coffee with moo-juice is breakfast.

If you really want to add something to your coffee in the evening, you can "fix" your coffee with some grappa.

Also, coffee (let's stop calling it espresso please, or worse expresso) comes after desert, not with it.

Coffee is a small shot of coffee.
Ristretto is a smaller shot of coffee.

Adding water, milk, etc makes a coffe-based drink (e.g. americano, macchiato, marocchino, caffe-latte, etc).

The serious question is, do you want a hot cup, warm cup, or cold cup with your coffee? Do you sweeten a bad coffee to make it palatable, or just avoid it?
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Also, coffee (let's stop calling it espresso please, or worse expresso)
Why? It's perfectly normal word, even the allegedly misspelt version, in many languages. It refers to the method of extraction, where the steam/water is pressed (literally, this is the translation of espresso) through the coffee.

The size of your espresso may vary by taste, and indeed by region (in Italy they tend to be much smaller, therefore, stronger, than in France, for example) but within a given area or country it's pretty much an understood and defined style and size of coffee.

Par contre, a "coffee" will vary very much more, especially in the UK or US where it would normally compare with an Americano or Lungo in size, so is in fact a much more ambiguous term.
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let's stop calling it espresso please
eh? why?

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god no. avoid it.
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such as in the US where its basically large cup of black coffee. (establishments such as intelligentsia being the exception of course)
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Also, coffee (let's stop calling it espresso please, or worse expresso) comes after desert, not with it.
This is also really funny.

During my 4 years in Neuchâtel I had troubles to get the right thing. Some sassy waiter told the same thing: don't call it espresso, it's café. In other places some days later, I ordered a café and I got some watery thing. I ask why I got the watery thing and the waiter replied: ahhh, did you want an espresso? Somehow learned at which places it was OK to ask an espresso and at which ones order a café.....only to find some weeks later the service people was new and back to square one. Life's easier in German speaking CH, I get the right thing when I say espresso.
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