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Yes. We have a Zwilling enamelled cast iron oval pot and it is one of the best things we bought.
I also had one of those. I got it from a COOP Trophy points promotion. Perhaps it's not the same as yours, but I found the enamel became dull and eventually (2 years?) chipped.

Now, all cards on the table, I did put it in the dishwasher, but the Le Creuset is unaffected by the dishwasher
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Old 18.01.2021, 12:05
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have a round one and an oval one (Zwilling). The enamel has dulled a bit, but its ok. Le cruset does better in the dishwasher, youre correct. Mine all go in the dishwasher. The Zwilling pieces are heavy, but good.

While not a casserole, one of my favorite pieces is a blue enameled roasting pan. I can put it on the hob, in the oven, and the lid is a shallow roasting pan.


I also have Pyrex rectangular/square casseroles. Cant go on the hob, but are awesome in the oven. Ive a set of 3 nesting pieces that Ive had for 25 years.
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I also had one of those. I got it from a COOP Trophy points promotion. Perhaps it's not the same as yours, but I found the enamel became dull and eventually (2 years?) chipped.

Now, all cards on the table, I did put it in the dishwasher, but the Le Creuset is unaffected by the dishwasher
I never put it in the dishwasher! Seriously, not even once. There are a few kitchen tools that we always wash by hand, perhaps that's why it's still OK after a few years. I don't remember where we bought it tbh but I'm sure it's the same product. The enamel doesn't look as "brand new", it is a bit stained (I've burnt something in a few occasions) but not chipped.
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I never put it in the dishwasher! Seriously, not even once.

I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.


Funny story though....I bought new, beautiful Riedel wine glasses. In the dishwasher they went for an initial clean. Quite long stems and as I closed the drawer....plink, plink, plink as the stems snapped!


Now I buy good glasses (Schott Zwiesel) and keep a couple of boxes spare in the cellar, for when we break a couple. I did buy a wonderful Riedel Decanter, which lasted a week! I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!
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I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.
Quite so. Knives can be sharpened, and I can't imagine what normal dishwashing could do to an enamel pot that could damage it.

Although TBF I did once ruins one in a dishwasher when I accidentally left it in when running a cycle with a dishwasher cleaning product. Completely stripped the exterior shine off the enamel, presumably due to a high acid content. I won't do that again.
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Now, all cards on the table, I did put it in the dishwasher, but the Le Creuset is unaffected by the dishwasher
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I never put it in the dishwasher! Seriously, not even once. There are a few kitchen tools that we always wash by hand, perhaps that's why it's still OK after a few years.
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5 Things You Should Never Put in a Dishwasher

1. Wood
Your Pac Man cutting board is going to swell and crack in the dishwasher. The same goes for wooden spoons or chopsticks.

2. Knives
Detergent can do damage to fine knives, causing scratches and nicks that dull the blade. Leaving sharp knives to rattle around in the dishwasher is likely to scratch up the dishwasher rack itself.

3. Delicate Glass & Crystal
Fine glass (like anything that’s hand-blown) is super sensitive to heat. Either run them on a non-heat cycle or, better yet, hand wash your fine crystal to be safe.

4. Pots & Pans
Anything that’s coated or enameled should stay out of the dishwasher. If you want your bake ware to stay non-stick, wash it by hand. Similarly, cast iron pans will lose their precious seasoning.

5. Anything with Gold Trim
We’ve made this mistake before. Any plates, bowls or cups with gold trim need to be hand washed. The harsh detergent and strong water pressure can remove the delicate trim.
The dishwasher water pressure and abrasiveness mixed with the detergent can really cause wear on delicate or coated items. It can also make nice things look like crap, causing them to lose their shine and luster.

I wash certain items only by hand... and that definitely includes my high quality knives, my stainless steel pots and pans, and my Dutch Oven.

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I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.


Funny story though....I bought new, beautiful Riedel wine glasses. In the dishwasher they went for an initial clean. Quite long stems and as I closed the drawer....plink, plink, plink as the stems snapped!


Now I buy good glasses (Schott Zwiesel) and keep a couple of boxes spare in the cellar, for when we break a couple. I did buy a wonderful Riedel Decanter, which lasted a week! I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!
Well, I do care more about a few things but I have a bad record with wine glasses too. I thought it was the poor quality but apparently they're one of those things that need hand washed. I know, I know....it is more convenient to just toss them into the dishwasher.

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I only wash certain items by hand... and that definitely includes my high quality knives, my stainless steel pots and pans, and my Dutch Oven.
Yep, pretty much about the same things...
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all my inherited gold-coated glass & gold-rimmed china is going down the drain....and never better said.

What a good excuse not to show off with guests and come back to IKEA....
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I still use an enamelled cast iron pot that my parents got as wedding present in 1966.
The pot is only a few months older than I am and still in top nick. It has never seen the inside of a dishwasher and the bottom outside got regularly oiled (back when we had the plain electrical hob).
Treating it with care it lasts longer than a human life, my pot will one day go one of of my kids.......
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:41
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have a staub, which I used for a few years, before deciding that I needed an even bigger one, that can be combined for casseroles or coq au vin, etc. Love the design and functionality.
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I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!

Damn, spoke to soon. One Riedel martini coupe down!!!
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Thanks to all who offered advice and opinions.

First off, I have to apologize to those who recommended going for a higher-end brand. I thought that I'd rather start with something more affordable and if I like it, then maybe upgrade later.

I bought one that they had on special at Manor for 50.-



It wasn't in stock locally so I requested in-store pickup.

The brand is "Nouvel" but there is no specific product information on their website.

Its diameter is 26 cm, and height is 12.5 cm. The weight of the pot is 3.8 kg, the lid is 1 kg.

The exterior is red, which is darker at the bottom ( la Le Creuset). The interior is black.

It's made in China. There is no mention of manufacturer's warranty so it will depend on the vendor, I guess.
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I use my Le Creuset for pretty much anything except frying. Though for that the non-stick le creuset frying pan comes out. Had mine over 8 years. Is brilliant.
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Thanks to all who offered advice and opinions.

First off, I have to apologize to those who recommended going for a higher-end brand. I thought that I'd rather start with something more affordable and if I like it, then maybe upgrade later.

I bought one that they had on special at Manor for 50.-



It wasn't in stock locally so I requested in-store pickup.

The brand is "Nouvel" but there is no specific product information on their website.

Its diameter is 26 cm, and height is 12.5 cm. The weight of the pot is 3.8 kg, the lid is 1 kg.

The exterior is red, which is darker at the bottom ( la Le Creuset). The interior is black.

It's made in China. There is no mention of manufacturer's warranty so it will depend on the vendor, I guess.
That looks like a good deal... almost everything of value price like this is made in China nowadays. Enjoy and let us know how it goes!
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

For years I used Dutch Oven-style pots for slow cooking but have gone a bit more high-tech in recent years, first with an electric crockpot but latterly with the Instant Pot pressure cooker, which reduces cooking time (typically) to about 15-20% of previous times. It doesn't have the aesthetics of watching and smelling a dish slowly simmering away for hours on end in the oven but it's a whole lot quicker and (IMO) produces dishes every bit as good, if not better.
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For years I used Dutch Oven-style pots for slow cooking but have gone a bit more high-tech in recent years, first with an electric crockpot but latterly with the Instant Pot pressure cooker, which reduces cooking time (typically) to about 15-20% of previous times. It doesn't have the aesthetics of watching and smelling a dish slowly simmering away for hours on end in the oven but it's a whole lot quicker and (IMO) produces dishes every bit as good, if not better.
The only think I can think of where pressure cooking doesn't/can't do what slow(er) cooking (either in the oven, on a hob or in a slow cooker) can do is reduce alcohol content and reduce liquids in the same way. It doesn't cook the alcohol long enough to reduce it and traps all of the liquid in the pot.

For me, that means I cook white or red wine dishes (where the sauce is mostly wine) in the dutch oven instead.
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The only think I can think of where pressure cooking doesn't/can't do what slow(er) cooking (either in the oven, on a hob or in a slow cooker) can do is reduce alcohol content and reduce liquids in the same way. It doesn't cook the alcohol long enough to reduce it and traps all of the liquid in the pot.

For me, that means I cook white or red wine dishes (where the sauce is mostly wine) in the dutch oven instead.
Fair point, though most of my Instant Pot dishes start life on the hob, lightly saute-ing the meat. If you add wine at this point the alcohol will quickly evaporate. Also, while the quantity of liquid doesn't reduce as much as it does in the oven, it certainly does intensify and thicken. An alternative, if it's not reduced enough, is after cooking in the IP, to put the inner pot on the hob for a short while to reduce and enrich. The meat should already be nicely cooked at this point so you can remove it for a few minutes while the sauce reduces. But I do take your general point. Part of the pleasure of an oven casserole is watching the sauce thicken and intensify. Like everything, it's a matter of balancing the pros and cons. The huge 'pro' with the IP is the greatly shortened cooking time, which makes up for a lot IMO.
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Fair point, though most of my Instant Pot dishes start life on the hob, lightly saute-ing the meat. If you add wine at this point the alcohol will quickly evaporate. Also, while the quantity of liquid doesn't reduce as much as it does in the oven, it certainly does intensify and thicken. An alternative, if it's not reduced enough, is after cooking in the IP, to put the inner pot on the hob for a short while to reduce and enrich. The meat should already be nicely cooked at this point so you can remove it for a few minutes while the sauce reduces. But I do take your general point. Part of the pleasure of an oven casserole is watching the sauce thicken and intensify. Like everything, it's a matter of balancing the pros and cons. The huge 'pro' with the IP is the greatly shortened cooking time, which makes up for a lot IMO.
Agreed, it's a big time saver in many respects. My old man just bought one and the biggest challenge is getting him to follow recipes instead of just doing his own random thing and then being disappointed with the results.
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I wouldn't start cheap OP, perhaps buy a small Le Creuset to see how you like it before investing in a bigger one?

Our Le Creusets have been used daily for 10 years now & some other high quality cookware for 15+. If you do cook a lot, I always recommend in investing in your cooking tools as they provide a daily reward to last many years.

Staub is also an excellent brand & slightly cheaper than Le Creuset ... I actually think the quality is a bit better too.

Happy cooking!
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I wouldn't start cheap OP, perhaps buy a small Le Creuset to see how you like it before investing in a bigger one?

Our Le Creusets have been used daily for 10 years now & some other high quality cookware for 15+. If you do cook a lot, I always recommend in investing in your cooking tools as they provide a daily reward to last many years.

Staub is also an excellent brand & slightly cheaper than Le Creuset ... I actually think the quality is a bit better too.

Happy cooking!
He said that he already bought it and there is nothing wrong with starting with a cheaper one, mine didn't cost much more and has worked fine.
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