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Dutch oven - casserole dish

(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Yep, I use mine a lot. I really like the slow and low method of cooking required for certain types of meat (oxtail, beef shin, shoulder, beef rib etc) and these pots are perfect for it.

I use it for pasta sauces, curries, stews and you can roast meats in it too.

I have a Le Creuset, which I bought, surprisingly, from Zalando-Lounge (Zalando’s online outlet store) I got a fantastic deal. I think I paid 150, marked down from 350.

There is also another high end brand called Staub. I had a cheaper brand previously, but the enamel stained and started to come off, so I would always recommend spending a bit more. It’s going to last you a long time, so I’m the end the cost over the years is not so high.
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(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

Thanks in advance.
I could choose one piece of cooking equipment for my entire kitchen, it would be a cast-iron enamelled dutch oven. It's a frying pan, a saucepan, a slow cooker etc.

Le Creuset are really overpriced and unnecessary unless you get a really good deal on them. Buy from Amazon, you want one with a capacity of between between 5L and 6L. Here is a list of those available from Amazon UK, rated 4* or more, sorted by highest rating (they are called casserole dishes or dutch ovens):

Casserole dishes https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=cassero...erial_browse_2

Dutch ovens https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=dutch+o...f=sr_nr_p_72_1

I have a Denby. It's got a chip or two in the enamel and paint through usage over the last couple of years, but still in good condition.

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Amazon.fr sell ProCook as well (there are some listed in Chuff's UK amazon link), from around €90, I've bought a few of their other pans in the past and particularly like the cast-iron sauteuse.
Don't know if they'll deliver to Switzerland, Amazon.de might?
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Amazon.fr sell ProCook as well (there are some listed in Chuff's UK amazon link), from around €90, I've bought a few of their other pans in the past and particularly like the cast-iron sauteuse.
Don't know if they'll deliver to Switzerland, Amazon.de might?
Generally speaking, all Amazons in Europe deliver to Switzerland on many items if the item is "Dispatched from and sold by Amazon.". If not, then it's down to the sellers own policy and discretion.

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have several Le Creuset pots, all bought in france so not at all expensive.

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I have several Le Creuset pots, all bought in france so not at all expensive.
I suspect you may mean "all bought a long time ago so not as expensive as they seem now".

Most of our le Creuset stuff was bought in the UK 25 years ago, and yes, it was expensive by the standards of the time. Since then we've replaced a couple of items, but find prices in France to be just as high as anywhere else. Buying on sale is the only way to get a really good deal on them.

It's worth noting the 25+ year lifespan though. We've gone through several other cast-iron/enamel pots that have failed to last half as long, with chipped, bubbled or just plain worn-out enamel. The latest one we've acquired is a flat wide casserole dish, by Denby, and was 'bought' with some bonus points my wife needed to use up. Had it for a year or so and it looks like it's up to the Creuset standards in quality, if not even better.

In short, le Creuset seems to be worth every penny, and it's expensive everywhere, but worth looking around for good deals on discontinued or unpopular colours.
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have an old BK one (Dutch), got that in 1987, it was really expensive at the time (for me), but seeing that I still use it now, it was worth it.

If you are on vente privée (website), they sometimes have Le Creuset on sale.
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I suspect you may mean "all bought a long time ago so not as expensive as they seem now".

Most of our le Creuset stuff was bought in the UK 25 years ago, and yes, it was expensive by the standards of the time. Since then we've replaced a couple of items, but find prices in France to be just as high as anywhere else. Buying on sale is the only way to get a really good deal on them.

It's worth noting the 25+ year lifespan though. We've gone through several other cast-iron/enamel pots that have failed to last half as long, with chipped, bubbled or just plain worn-out enamel. The latest one we've acquired is a flat wide casserole dish, by Denby, and was 'bought' with some bonus points my wife needed to use up. Had it for a year or so and it looks like it's up to the Creuset standards in quality, if not even better.

In short, le Creuset seems to be worth every penny, and it's expensive everywhere, but worth looking around for good deals on discontinued or unpopular colours.
How DARE you question Tom. If he says he bought 20 Le Creusets in France for 20chf each a year ago then I for one believe him.
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I suspect you may mean "all bought a long time ago so not as expensive as they seem now".
Well, certainly cheaper than the Lagostina pots that make up most of the rest!

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How DARE you quesiton Tom. If he says he bought 20 Le Creusets in France for 20chf each a year ago then I for one believe him.
I only have four.

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I have an old BK one (Dutch), got that in 1987, it was really expensive at the time (for me), but seeing that I still use it now, it was worth it.

If you are on vente privée (website), they sometimes have Le Creuset on sale.
Even Le Creuset have Le Creuset on sale at the moment
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have an iron cast one from Aldi's brand ("Crofton"), which costed me 40CHF. I make homestead bread on it, but also cook yummy stews, grandma's style. This is the alternative to the expensive >250CHF brands.
Said that, yesterday i was at Coop's. They have a lot of ware at 50% off. I saw actually a French dutch oven casserole at 75% off (from 200 CHF to 50 CHF). I was very tempted...but i left it there, so it's waiting for the grabs (Coop downstairs in Oerlikon city center).
Best of luck ;-)
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Thank you all for the quick and useful replies. I'll keep an eye out for special offers.

I had just seen a Dutch oven on sale on deindeal.ch (aka my-store.ch) but the brand was not well known and I couldn't find any reviews so I passed.
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I love enameled cast iron. Unless someone offers you Le Creuset (I got gifted a non-enameled one that wasn’t being used by my mother-in-law) don’t bother buying them. I spoke with someone who used hers every day for ten years and now needs to replace it as it’s chipped quite a bit—now, ten years is a good run but the reality is that there really isn’t much difference in the quality of the enameling on most cheaper pots. Just make sure the handles offer good grip surface. France is much cheaper. Second hand can be good—many people buy them and then never use them.
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have a Kuhn Rikon. They no longer make them and I got it from my mother. It has many features a Staub pots have has well. The indented lid, the bumps, and the black color - but I think mine is non coated. A good pot will will last forever and a bit more. Is regularly in use and could not be w/o it. But I have no of this new fancy electric slow cooker. You can make super delicious crispy bread in these cast iron pots.

The Staub pots has a feature which seems to be a bit forgotten. If you use it in the oven you can poor water on the lid. The tasty evaporations will condense even better on the lid and drip back on your roast.

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I have an iron cast one from Aldi's brand ("Crofton"), which costed me 40CHF. I make homestead bread on it, but also cook yummy stews, grandma's style. This is the alternative to the expensive >250CHF brands.
Said that, yesterday i was at Coop's. They have a lot of ware at 50% off. I saw actually a French dutch oven casserole at 75% off (from 200 CHF to 50 CHF). I was very tempted...but i left it there, so it's waiting for the grabs (Coop downstairs in Oerlikon city center).
Best of luck ;-)
I looked at the Aldi one, but it's aluminum, not iron. So probably not as good.

And I went to my local Coop City yesterday but unfortunately they didn't have any interesting offers yesterday. I'll have another look tomorrow (luckily the Federal government considers kitchen utensils are essential merchandise )
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I looked at the Aldi one, but it's aluminum, not iron. So probably not as good.

And I went to my local Coop City yesterday but unfortunately they didn't have any interesting offers yesterday. I'll have another look tomorrow (luckily the Federal government considers kitchen utensils are essential merchandise )
Only get enamelled cast iron as it has much better cooking and heat retention properties than aluminium!
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Only get enamelled cast iron as it has much better cooking and heat retention properties than aluminium!
And longevity too. It is possible to damage a cast iron pan by dropping it, but it has to be fairly severe to do so, such that it will actually crack the metal, whereas even thicker aluminium will flex much more easily and tend to chip or flake the enamel.
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And longevity too. It is possible to damage a cast iron pan by dropping it, but it has to be fairly severe to do so, such that it will actually crack the metal, whereas even thicker aluminium will flex much more easily and tend to chip or flake the enamel.
Yes true, longevity is also better, but in the end it's the cooking results that matter most to me and the difference between Alu and iron is significant.

By the way you mentioned you had a Denby... I like mine but after a year the exterior paint has chipped in a couple of places on the pot and lid (it's never been dropped or abused, no idea how it got them). Enamel is intact but scratched/marked.

All superficial though, it still works like a charm and for 80chf I am happy with it.
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