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Dutch oven - casserole dish

(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Yep, I use mine a lot. I really like the slow and low method of cooking required for certain types of meat (oxtail, beef shin, shoulder, beef rib etc) and these pots are perfect for it.

I use it for pasta sauces, curries, stews and you can roast meats in it too.

I have a Le Creuset, which I bought, surprisingly, from Zalando-Lounge (Zalandoís online outlet store) I got a fantastic deal. I think I paid 150, marked down from 350.

There is also another high end brand called Staub. I had a cheaper brand previously, but the enamel stained and started to come off, so I would always recommend spending a bit more. Itís going to last you a long time, so Iím the end the cost over the years is not so high.
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(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

Thanks in advance.
I could choose one piece of cooking equipment for my entire kitchen, it would be a cast-iron enamelled dutch oven. It's a frying pan, a saucepan, a slow cooker etc.

Le Creuset are really overpriced and unnecessary unless you get a really good deal on them. Buy from Amazon, you want one with a capacity of between between 5L and 6L. Here is a list of those available from Amazon UK, rated 4* or more, sorted by highest rating (they are called casserole dishes or dutch ovens):

Casserole dishes https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=cassero...erial_browse_2

Dutch ovens https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=dutch+o...f=sr_nr_p_72_1

I have a Denby. It's got a chip or two in the enamel and paint through usage over the last couple of years, but still in good condition.

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Amazon.fr sell ProCook as well (there are some listed in Chuff's UK amazon link), from around Ä90, I've bought a few of their other pans in the past and particularly like the cast-iron sauteuse.
Don't know if they'll deliver to Switzerland, Amazon.de might?
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Amazon.fr sell ProCook as well (there are some listed in Chuff's UK amazon link), from around €90, I've bought a few of their other pans in the past and particularly like the cast-iron sauteuse.
Don't know if they'll deliver to Switzerland, Amazon.de might?
Generally speaking, all Amazons in Europe deliver to Switzerland on many items if the item is "Dispatched from and sold by Amazon.". If not, then it's down to the sellers own policy and discretion.

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have several Le Creuset pots, all bought in france so not at all expensive.

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I have several Le Creuset pots, all bought in france so not at all expensive.
I suspect you may mean "all bought a long time ago so not as expensive as they seem now".

Most of our le Creuset stuff was bought in the UK 25 years ago, and yes, it was expensive by the standards of the time. Since then we've replaced a couple of items, but find prices in France to be just as high as anywhere else. Buying on sale is the only way to get a really good deal on them.

It's worth noting the 25+ year lifespan though. We've gone through several other cast-iron/enamel pots that have failed to last half as long, with chipped, bubbled or just plain worn-out enamel. The latest one we've acquired is a flat wide casserole dish, by Denby, and was 'bought' with some bonus points my wife needed to use up. Had it for a year or so and it looks like it's up to the Creuset standards in quality, if not even better.

In short, le Creuset seems to be worth every penny, and it's expensive everywhere, but worth looking around for good deals on discontinued or unpopular colours.
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(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

Thanks in advance.
Yes. We have a Zwilling enamelled cast iron oval pot and it is one of the best things we bought. I always admired Le Creuset products but they're quite expensive and there are cheaper alternatives. But I do get those who invest more in this sort of stuff.
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Yes. We have a Zwilling enamelled cast iron oval pot and it is one of the best things we bought.
I also had one of those. I got it from a COOP Trophy points promotion. Perhaps it's not the same as yours, but I found the enamel became dull and eventually (2 years?) chipped.

Now, all cards on the table, I did put it in the dishwasher, but the Le Creuset is unaffected by the dishwasher
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

I have a round one and an oval one (Zwilling). The enamel has dulled a bit, but itís ok. Le cruset does better in the dishwasher, youíre correct. Mine all go in the dishwasher. The Zwilling pieces are heavy, but good.

While not a casserole, one of my favorite pieces is a blue enameled roasting pan. I can put it on the hob, in the oven, and the lid is a shallow roasting pan.


I also have Pyrex rectangular/square casseroles. Canít go on the hob, but are awesome in the oven. Iíve a set of 3 nesting pieces that Iíve had for 25 years.
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I also had one of those. I got it from a COOP Trophy points promotion. Perhaps it's not the same as yours, but I found the enamel became dull and eventually (2 years?) chipped.

Now, all cards on the table, I did put it in the dishwasher, but the Le Creuset is unaffected by the dishwasher
I never put it in the dishwasher! Seriously, not even once. There are a few kitchen tools that we always wash by hand, perhaps that's why it's still OK after a few years. I don't remember where we bought it tbh but I'm sure it's the same product. The enamel doesn't look as "brand new", it is a bit stained (I've burnt something in a few occasions) but not chipped.
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I never put it in the dishwasher! Seriously, not even once.

I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.


Funny story though....I bought new, beautiful Riedel wine glasses. In the dishwasher they went for an initial clean. Quite long stems and as I closed the drawer....plink, plink, plink as the stems snapped!


Now I buy good glasses (Schott Zwiesel) and keep a couple of boxes spare in the cellar, for when we break a couple. I did buy a wonderful Riedel Decanter, which lasted a week! I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!
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I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.
Quite so. Knives can be sharpened, and I can't imagine what normal dishwashing could do to an enamel pot that could damage it.

Although TBF I did once ruins one in a dishwasher when I accidentally left it in when running a cycle with a dishwasher cleaning product. Completely stripped the exterior shine off the enamel, presumably due to a high acid content. I won't do that again.
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I get that reaction a lot: Wine glasses, Le Creuset pot (Although they do say that you can) and chefs knives.


Honestly, I don't have the time, nor inclination (Mainly inclination) to hand wash these things.


Funny story though....I bought new, beautiful Riedel wine glasses. In the dishwasher they went for an initial clean. Quite long stems and as I closed the drawer....plink, plink, plink as the stems snapped!


Now I buy good glasses (Schott Zwiesel) and keep a couple of boxes spare in the cellar, for when we break a couple. I did buy a wonderful Riedel Decanter, which lasted a week! I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!
Well, I do care more about a few things but I have a bad record with wine glasses too. I thought it was the poor quality but apparently they're one of those things that need hand washed. I know, I know....it is more convenient to just toss them into the dishwasher.

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I only wash certain items by hand... and that definitely includes my high quality knives, my stainless steel pots and pans, and my Dutch Oven.
Yep, pretty much about the same things...
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I also bought Riedel martini coupes, but they are still in one piece!

Damn, spoke to soon. One Riedel martini coupe down!!!
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(That's "Cocotte" in French, "Schmortopf" in German.)

Does anyone here use those heavy and pricey yet widely-admired cast-iron pots? Are they Le Creuset or other brand? Where did you buy them? Are they really better than an ordinary stock pot?

Thanks in advance.
Thank you for that thread, you made me revive my cast iron pot. I got a huge one which I admit is living in the cellar as it's simply too big for daily use. I got an other one a few years ago of a size that fits my needs. This one is a le Creuset and I bought it in an expensive specialized household-store but that it not necessary.
Since you reminded me I've used it about once a week, making stews and curries, absolutely loving it and actually eating more veggies than normally. I remember I used to make bread in it as well.

Today I finally ordered a cast iron frying pan and can't wait to try making rotis again, something an Indian client tried to teach me and in spite of it looking so simple I never managed to get them right. I believe this pan will solve my problem by giving the necessary heat and evenly.
Not to mention decent frying of a nice piece of meat.

I did some research and came to the conclusion to go for cast iron (Gusseisen) and not for wrought iron (Schmmiedeisen) for various reasons.

However, thanks for your question it has inspirited my menus And yes, get one in a size that makes sense for you and you'll love it.

PS: I have an open kitchen-living room and I find that using all my wild spices is very different in the cast iron pot. The smell does not get as strong = doesn't linger. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

Ten years ago I bought a cast iron casserole for the US house because my 25-year-old Le Creuset resided in Alsace. I've used that $45 Wally World casserole all this time, with nary a craze or chip on the thick enamel. It distributes heat beautifully, although it does demand more attention than a crock pot. Like Curley, I have noticed that even when I leave the kitchen door open and use some pretty violent spices, it doesn't seem to smell as strongly; maybe that's down to the heaviness of the iron lid?
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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

In its first couple weeks, I've made several recipes, with great results:

Garlic & Herb Dutch Oven Bread

Traditional French Pot Roast Chicken

And the most satisfying, Julia Child's boeuf bourguignon (vintage video here).

Regarding the Nouvel Dutch oven that they sell at Manor, note that it is slightly different from the picture on the website. Mainly, the outside of the lid is smooth, not ridged:

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Re: Dutch oven - casserole dish

In case anyone is interested, I noticed that DeinDeal is currently offering Staub Dutch Ovens. This thread inspired me to get my Kuhn Rikon Dutch oven out and I have been happily using it a fair bit over the last couple of weeks. I had quite forgotten I owned one.
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In case anyone is interested, I noticed that DeinDeal is currently offering Staub Dutch Ovens.
Oh no ... why did you have to tell me? Actually...I am very happy you did. Thanks!
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