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Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

Where can I look for more options when it comes to buying cream, besides the supermarket?

I've been to lots of little health foods / bio / specialty stores in cities, as well as lots of Hofladen/lädeli, and I feel like I never see cream available. There are just a few brands at Migros, Coop, Alnatura.

Definitely the farms have Milchautomaten, which is really cool if you like fresh milk ("raw milk" as it's sometimes called). I guess they all sell to the big brands though which end up doing the dairy processing, because they don't seem to have their own derived products besides cheese.

Or am I overlooking?
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

It's difficult to find raw milk or cream here, at least where I live in ZH, for legal reasons. I buy my fruit, veg and meat directly from a farmer. I enjoy making my own butter and fermenting things. So there was a time when I needed fresh, raw (unpasteurized) cream to ferment and then make butter with.

Even before COVID it was nigh impossible. My farmer lady worked her magic, made a few phone calls and could arrange raw cream for me. Post COVID that all stopped. Apparently it's illegal (to be confirmed), or at least considered too risky for vendors to sell raw milk or cream.

You may get raw milk if you find a farmer with some happy cows.

It was my experience that it was impossible to find and buy raw milk or cream from a shop or vendor. Nobody would do it, I asked everywhere. What they will sell you is fresh cream, but it has undergone pasteurization.

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Old 20.05.2021, 08:51
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

There is a farmer in Sattel, who sells fresh milk, cream and butter. The milk is often still warm from the cow. The cream has to be used in 3-4 days or it goes off. And he doesn't salt his butter, so it has to be used within a couple of weeks. He doesn't have a "shop" as such - it is all very informal, just a fridge and sink area setup in a tiled area of the cow barn, and Mrs Farmer leaves cookies as gifts for the "customers" every Christmas.

I'd recommend you bypass the farmers who are setup with formal "shops", and go find those who are literally selling from the areas attached to their cow barns....
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

There's a vending station in Zug, which has raw milk... and I believe raw cream as well... Will grab the address next time I pass by it.
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

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It was my experience that it was impossible to find and buy raw milk or cream from a shop or vendor. Nobody would do it, I asked everywhere. What they will sell you is fresh cream, but it has undergone pasteurization.
Hmmmm now I'm wondering whether I misunderstood a farmer due to language barrier. I was buying milk from his Milchautomat. It's a machine, the milk comes out cold, so I dunno. I told him in the US that raw milk is regulated and I was glad, as such, to find it available here. He said that it's okay as long as they tell people to use it within a short period of time I think. Maybe they refrigerate it immediately and therefore it's considered safe Idk. I might have missed something but I believe he said it was not pasteurized.

It could be a cantonal difference. This, and most of my experience with these Milchautomaten, is in canton Aargau. I should update my location in my EF profile; I have been in AG since a year.
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

It appears that, under food legislation, raw milk cannot be offered for tasting or declared ready for consumption.

"Selon la législation sur les denrées alimentaires, on ne peut pas proposer du lait cru à la dégustation ou déclarer qu'il est prêt à la consommation. "


https://www.swissmilk.ch/fr/producte...-marchandises/
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It appears that, under food legislation, raw milk cannot be offered for tasting or declared ready for consumption.

"Selon la législation sur les denrées alimentaires, on ne peut pas proposer du lait cru à la dégustation ou déclarer qu'il est prêt à la consommation. "


https://www.swissmilk.ch/fr/producte...-marchandises/
But it's also evident from that page that it _can_ be sold, subject to proper information being provided:

"The seller is also required to provide information on the shelf life, storage conditions and treatment of raw milk. PSL offers interested producers a notice on the sale of raw milk and stickers, a copy of which is free."

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It's difficult to find raw milk or cream here, at least where I live in ZH, for legal reasons. I buy my fruit, veg and meat directly from a farmer. I enjoy making my own butter and fermenting things. So there was a time when I needed fresh, raw (unpasteurized) cream to ferment and then make butter with.

Even before COVID it was nigh impossible. My farmer lady worked her magic, made a few phone calls and could arrange raw cream for me. Post COVID that all stopped. Apparently it's illegal (to be confirmed), or at least considered too risky for vendors to sell raw milk or cream.

You may get raw milk if you find a farmer with some happy cows.

It was my experience that it was impossible to find and buy raw milk or cream from a shop or vendor. Nobody would do it, I asked everywhere. What they will sell you is fresh cream, but it has undergone pasteurization.

Find a farmer, nudge, nudge, wink wink...
There's a farm in Schmerikon, Sankt Gallen, we used to buy raw milk from there a few years ago.
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

Sennerei Bachtel aka Damalis AG in Wernetshausen (near Hinwil) sells raw milk, their cream is pasteurised. They also sell via farmy.ch, perhaps you're in their delivery range. Certainly they can name other vendors or selling points if you're too far away.
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There's a vending station in Zug, which has raw milk... and I believe raw cream as well... Will grab the address next time I pass by it.
This one:
https://goo.gl/maps/v4hftQ8VhUfUDJt8A

Also, consider farmy:
https://www.farmy.ch/en/rohmilch-dem...nnerei-bachtel
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

How do you find your go-to farmer? Using farmy or some other channels?
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How do you find your go-to farmer? Using farmy or some other channels?
First you check the farms nearby or ask around.

I'm a big fan of Farmy but they don't sell raw milk/cream etc for obvious reasons. These things....you buy directly from a farm.
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First you check the farms nearby or ask around.

I'm a big fan of Farmy but they don't sell raw milk/cream etc for obvious reasons. These things....you buy directly from a farm.
Farmy has raw milk...

https://www.farmy.ch/en/rohmilch-dem...nnerei-bachtel
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Demeter natural raw milk, 3.8% fat, 1l
CHF 0.30 / 100ml
CHF 295 / Bottle
In Cart:CHF 295 / 1 Bottle
zzgl. Pfand CHF 100
plus shipping costs

Milk helps you grow big and strong, and this natural cow's milk also contributes to animals and the environment. This is guaranteed by its Demeter certificate. The cows from Zurich’s mountain area live according to nature and are guaranteed not to be de-horned. The milk has not been homogenised, because homogenisation - a process in which the milk is sprayed at high pressure onto a plate to break up the fat particles - is nutritionally useless. Naturally it not only tastes better, the milk also forms cream. You can use it even make your own butter - three litres is sufficient for 80g. Or just drink it well shaken.

Indication: Raw milk must be heated up to 70°C before consumption!
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Re: Cream (Vollrahm / Crème entière) direct from farmer / local / "raw"?

I know there are hofs everywhere but

https://goo.gl/maps/o4zFGBqc5hyuUHQHA

sells lovely milk 24/7. I'm sure you could talk to the farmer if you wanted cream as the family work in the shop when it's open.
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