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.... For example, I had no idea that fish companies (e.g. canned tuna, frozen fish) simply pay to get a label on their product that says they are dolphin-safe, environmentally-friendly, etc. without anyone actually first checking to validate whether or not that is true.....
This was exactly another piece of manipulation in the documentary. The truth is in between: “The Dolphin Safe tuna programme is responsible for the largest decline in dolphin deaths by tuna fishing vessels in history. Dolphin-kill levels have been reduced by more than 95%, preventing the indiscriminate slaughter of more than 100,000 dolphins every year.”
So, the label is not what they say, it is not the full protection of dolphins, but it still help the dolphins and bashing it, would actually lower something that was already achieved.
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Wow! You guys have sensitive kids!
Don't let them watch 'cow spiracy' (on netflix) and 'Meat Lobby' on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1KUPZC3Ck


Or if you want those sensitive kids to actually become vegetarian / vegan, actually do show those to them!
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Manipulation is never ok, because in the end it is not the one with the right arguments who wins, but the one who shouts the loudest the most plausible slogans. Seen everywhere every day.
Good education and truthful presentation of facts is the only sustainable way, but yes, people are unmotivated to think and prefer shortcuts.
Ain't that the truth!
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Please reconsider in the case of farmed trout (and even crazy things like sturgeon). There are plenty of trout farms that exactly reproduce natural growth (no hormones and insect-y food, albeit freeze-dried). We have one near us. There are still some honest people in the world.
All bio seafood is farmed. Nothing wrong about it.
However, unfortunately, seafood from Vietnam is another story.
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Please reconsider in the case of farmed trout (and even crazy things like sturgeon). There are plenty of trout farms that exactly reproduce natural growth (no hormones and insect-y food, albeit freeze-dried). We have one near us. There are still some honest people in the world.
Sturgeon (and other fish) are farmed in Frutigen, in the middle of the Bernese Oberland. https://www.tropenhaus-frutigen.ch/en/fish-farm-caviar.

They use the naturally hot water from the Lötschberg base tunnel.
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All bio seafood is farmed. Nothing wrong about it.
However, unfortunately, seafood from Vietnam is another story.
A Migros favourite: Pangasius (I mean catfish) and pommes.

I refuse to buy prawns from Asia. The non-reversible salination of rice-growing paddy fields in order to supply the world with cheap prawns is verging on the criminal.

If a family has a prawn failure due to a parasitic infestation, they'll starve as they'll no rice with which to feed their family.
(It used to be that they'd farm rice to sell but always keep enough back to feed the family).
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One of my kids watched Seaspiracy last month and was so shocked that he refuses to eat fish at all now.

If someone is genuinely passionate about protecting fish stocks, then not eating anything supplied by the commercial fishing industry, especially those outside of the EU, is the only way to not be a part of the problem. I need to be better about this too.

I also need to watch Seaspiracy so thanks for reminding me!

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Wow! You guys have sensitive kids!
Don't let them watch 'cow spiracy' (on netflix) and 'Meat Lobby' on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1KUPZC3Ck


Or if you want those sensitive kids to actually become vegetarian / vegan, actually do show those to them!
My kids are light eaters, very fussy in general so if we watch that they'll find yet another reason to complain. I don't think they would truly understand the ethical implications yet though.
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Old 13.06.2021, 15:05
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Wow! You guys have sensitive kids!
Don't let them watch 'cow spiracy' (on netflix) and 'Meat Lobby' on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1KUPZC3Ck
Concerned kids.

It's not just kids though. David Attenborough is speaking at the G7 regarding how we are wrecking the planet.
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All bio seafood is farmed. Nothing wrong about it.
However, unfortunately, seafood from Vietnam is another story.
Oh Yuck! I have seen East Asian fish farms and would not touch that produce with a fishing rod. Especially Pangasius, pulled from syrupy water that no sane person would dare to get wet with, it is easily the most disgusting fish on the market today.
Fish farming has not only the usual environmental impact but also due to the overabundance of runoff from fish farms two things are happening. One are catastrophic levels of sea snot and two increased jellyfish blooms. Recently an entire salmon farm was wiped out in Scotland thanks to jellyfish.
The main damage however is not from fish farms but from overfishing of Atlantic Menhaden, also known as the most important fish in the ocean, without Menhaden alge blooms get out of control causing oxygen free dead zones in the oceans.
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Oh Yuck! I have seen East Asian fish farms and would not touch that produce with a fishing rod. Especially Pangasius, pulled from syrupy water that no sane person would dare to get wet with, it is easily the most disgusting fish on the market today.
Fish farming has not only the usual environmental impact but also due to the overabundance of runoff from fish farms two things are happening. One are catastrophic levels of sea snot and two increased jellyfish blooms. Recently an entire salmon farm was wiped out in Scotland thanks to jellyfish.
The main damage however is not from fish farms but from overfishing of Atlantic Menhaden, also known as the most important fish in the ocean, without Menhaden alge blooms get out of control causing oxygen free dead zones in the oceans.
Yup I fully agree withj this... Pangasius is a disgusting fish, both in the tasteless and watery texture of its meat and the often filthy conditions it is bred in.
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From the Migros website - and you couldn't make this up:

The meat of the pangasius is firm, juicy, very mild and has little taste of its own..
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I've only had catfish once...in Kenya in 1984. Never again.
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Please reconsider in the case of farmed trout (and even crazy things like sturgeon). There are plenty of trout farms that exactly reproduce natural growth (no hormones and insect-y food, albeit freeze-dried). We have one near us. There are still some honest people in the world.
If u ever tried to land a brown trout compared to a farmed rainbow trout there is a huge difference in the fight not to mind the taste.
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Re: Buying healthy fish

well, I watched it too, but didn't liked it. Blaming fishing nets for all the trouble, but somehow I missed suggestions how to solve the problem? How do you catch the fish without nets anyway?

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One of my kids watched Seaspiracy last month and was so shocked that he refuses to eat fish at all now.
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If u ever tried to land a brown trout compared to a farmed rainbow trout there is a huge difference in the fight not to mind the taste.
Used to hike to the headwaters of the Mokelumne for brookies and brownies, and to the lakes in the Sierra for rainbows. My father had a huge collection of hand-tied flies. Unfortunately they are now all fished out; good luck finding a brookie. So farmed up here in the Alps will have to do. I doubt most people have the time or the resources to land their own trout.

If you really want a fight, try a barracuda!
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Used to hike to the headwaters of the Mokelumne for brookies and brownies, and to the lakes in the Sierra for rainbows. My father had a huge collection of hand-tied flies. Unfortunately they are now all fished out; good luck finding a brookie. So farmed up here in the Alps will have to do. I doubt most people have the time or the resources to land their own trout.

If you really want a fight, try a barracuda!
Still plenty of brownies around in Ireland thankfully. The farming craze of the 90s really did damage but things getting better there with more regulations.
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My father in law is fishing on his boat just about everyday, my freezer is stocked for winter with a few evenings of filet perches
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A Migros favourite: Pangasius (I mean catfish) and pommes.

I refuse to buy prawns from Asia. The non-reversible salination of rice-growing paddy fields in order to supply the world with cheap prawns is verging on the criminal.

If a family has a prawn failure due to a parasitic infestation, they'll starve as they'll no rice with which to feed their family.
(It used to be that they'd farm rice to sell but always keep enough back to feed the family).
Growing rice in paddy fields actually causes a lot of CO2 and methane due to organic matter rotting in waterlogged soil.

I expect that when they've finished going after burping cows they'll be telling us to eat less rice.
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well, I watched it too, but didn't liked it. Blaming fishing nets for all the trouble, but somehow I missed suggestions how to solve the problem? How do you catch the fish without nets anyway?

I think more the message is supposed to be how the media blames McDs and the like for plastic straws for pollution (and so we have the nightmare of t hose shit paper straws now), whilst the fishing industry actually causes most of the issue and ensures that no one gets to point the finger their way.
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