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Buying healthy fish

I'm currently under impression of this documentary briefly speaking about shocking practices in the fish farming industry (both in Europe & Asia): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYf8cLUV5E

Therefore I'm starting to wonder if you are aware of that issue and if so in which places are you buying a wild / likely healthy fish? Assuming that you eat fish, of course.
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Re: Buying healthy fish

I buy fish either at local market in Oerlikon or sometimes at Der Frisch Fisch Mercado, if I need something special. Also, sometimes in a supermarket, if it is a local fish (like a Regenbogenforelle), or if I can at least smell it before the purchase (both Globus and big Coops have decent fresh fish stands). If it is excessively fat fish, it is actually possible to tell.

On a separate note: Zurich if far from any sea, so it make sense not to buy seafood and saltwater fish here. And it can't ever taste as good as on a seashore, so better save your money, eat local produce and later get a great week or two of fresh seafood diet somewhere, where the fish is caught by actual fishermen, not farmers.

P.S. this movie doesn't provide some current information, such as a revoked authorization for ethoxyquin in EU since 2017 with complete de facto ban from 31 March 2020 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...7R0962&from=HR
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Re: Buying healthy fish

farmy.ch has a pretty good selection of fish imo (can be a bit pricey sometimes)
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I'm currently under impression of this documentary briefly speaking about shocking practices in the fish farming industry (both in Europe & Asia): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYf8cLUV5E

Therefore I'm starting to wonder if you are aware of that issue and if so in which places are you buying a wild / likely healthy fish? Assuming that you eat fish, of course.
One of my kids watched Seaspiracy last month and was so shocked that he refuses to eat fish at all now.

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Old 12.06.2021, 09:58
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Re: Buying healthy fish

I get my frozen shrimp at Lidle.
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Re: Buying healthy fish

All the fish I buy are dead, unless they're goldfish, so they're not really "healthy".

For sustainably and or ethically produced fish there are several accreditations, the most well known being the Marine Stewardship Council ones.
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One of my kids watched Seaspiracy last month and was so shocked that he refuses to eat fish at all now.
Most of the food production, i.e., industry is ugly, sadly it is hard to feed up 7 billion of people.How many can afford Demeter carrots and Bio Weiderind? 5%? In Croatia the difference in price of wild and farmed Orada is 3-4x.
Seespiracy tells many truths, but it also manipulates the viewers. The statistics it relies on, was misinterpreted, but the author of documentary responded with “We are not scientists nor did we claim to be.
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Seespiracy tells many truths, but it also manipulates the viewers. The statistics it relies on, was misinterpreted, but the author of documentary responded with “We are not scientists nor did we claim to be.
If it leads to less consumption, I'm all for it.
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Therefore I'm starting to wonder if you are aware of that issue and if so in which places are you buying a wild / likely healthy fish? Assuming that you eat fish, of course.
Migros and Coop too have on display some decent (wild) fresh fish. I've recently bought some wild salmon from Coop and it was excellent. (was actually surprised how good it was)
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Re: Buying healthy fish

This may sound counter intuitive, but canned fish is often better than fresh.

Canned fish is often processed immediately on landing and is conserved using only salt and vegetable oil, whereas fresh fish needs to have all sorts of things done to it so that it can last long enough to reach the supermarket. The "fresh" fish you are being sold in the supermarket, laid on ice along with various seashells and bits of maritime paraphernalia may well be 10 days old or more.

Save your appetite for fresh fish for next time you are by the seaside. I love the markets in Spain for example where you can buy fish on the dockside and directly off the fishermen who pulled it out some hours previously. If you've never done so before it would be recommendable to have somebody show you how to clean out the innards. Apart from that there's nothing you can do wrong.
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This may sound counter intuitive, but canned fish is often better than fresh.

Canned fish is often processed immediately on landing and is conserved using only salt and vegetable oil, whereas fresh fish needs to have all sorts of things done to it so that it can last long enough to reach the supermarket. The "fresh" fish you are being sold in the supermarket, laid on ice along with various seashells and bits of maritime paraphernalia may well be 10 days old or more.

Save your appetite for fresh fish for next time you are by the seaside. I love the markets in Spain for example where you can buy fish on the dockside and directly off the fishermen who pulled it out some hours previously. If you've never done so before it would be recommendable to have somebody show you how to clean out the innards. Apart from that there's nothing you can do wrong.
Or Portugal. Or Danube Delta (too many mosquitos there though). I miss the pontic shad. Yum yum.

The thing is I love fish, I can't save my appetite for a few trips per year. I'm willing to take my chance with that I can find here and sometimes I do hit the jackpot.
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One of my kids watched Seaspiracy last month and was so shocked that he refuses to eat fish at all now.

My daughter's pain-in-the-ass Biology teacher showed the class a video about chicken farming practices last month. Now my daughter insists on only eating bio chicken. I'm a big fan of the 1/4-priced slovenian chicken unfortunately. We made a compromise though; i told her that chicken nuggets aren't really chicken so she can eat those instead on chicken night.
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My daughter's pain-in-the-ass Biology teacher showed the class a video about chicken farming practices last month. Now my daughter insists on only eating bio chicken. I'm a big fan of the 1/4-priced slovenian chicken unfortunately. We made a compromise though; i told her that chicken nuggets aren't really chicken so she can eat those instead on chicken night.
Tell her if she doesn't like Slovenian she can always just eat vegetables.
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My daughter's pain-in-the-ass Biology teacher showed the class a video about chicken farming practices last month. Now my daughter insists on only eating bio chicken. I'm a big fan of the 1/4-priced slovenian chicken unfortunately. We made a compromise though; i told her that chicken nuggets aren't really chicken so she can eat those instead on chicken night.
All my kids refuse to eat anything with palm oil in it to save the habitat of orangutans which suits me just fine as almost anything with palm oil is sh*t, highly processed junk anyway.
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Or Portugal. Or Danube Delta (too many mosquitos there though). I miss the pontic shad. Yum yum.
Or the U.K. where in places, you can still buy fish off the beach that is so fresh that it is still flapping about.

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We made a compromise though; i told her that chicken nuggets aren't really chicken so she can eat those instead on chicken night.
And I bet you told her that yogurt is ice cream.
Once read someplace that most kids don't know that fish sticks come from fish. I myself also wonder sometimes.
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If it leads to less consumption, I'm all for it.
Manipulation is never ok, because in the end it is not the one with the right arguments who wins, but the one who shouts the loudest the most plausible slogans. Seen everywhere every day.
Good education and truthful presentation of facts is the only sustainable way, but yes, people are unmotivated to think and prefer shortcuts.
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Re: Buying healthy fish

My son and I watched Seaspiracy together a few weeks ago. Regardless of whether or not it intends to manipulate viewers' perceptions, it was still quite the eye-opener for me in terms of the fish industry. For example, I had no idea that fish companies (e.g. canned tuna, frozen fish) simply pay to get a label on their product that says they are dolphin-safe, environmentally-friendly, etc. without anyone actually first checking to validate whether or not that is true.

I definitely have an aversion to anything coming from a fish farm now, after watching that film.
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My son and I watched Seaspiracy together a few weeks ago. Regardless of whether or not it intends to manipulate viewers' perceptions, it was still quite the eye-opener for me in terms of the fish industry. For example, I had no idea that fish companies (e.g. canned tuna, frozen fish) simply pay to get a label on their product that says they are dolphin-safe, environmentally-friendly, etc. without anyone actually first checking to validate whether or not that is true.

I definitely have an aversion to anything coming from a fish farm now, after watching that film.
Believe even worse will be the mining of the seafloors in the not so off future.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...le-damage.html
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I definitely have an aversion to anything coming from a fish farm now, after watching that film.
Please reconsider in the case of farmed trout (and even crazy things like sturgeon). There are plenty of trout farms that exactly reproduce natural growth (no hormones and insect-y food, albeit freeze-dried). We have one near us. There are still some honest people in the world.
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