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Switzerland has little in the way of quality ethnic cuisine (certainly at reasonable cost) outside Zurich (and possibly Geneva). Unless you count Turkish (which I like but would appreciate more variety). Certainly compared to the UK dining is limited, very expensive and almost exclusively European (which I personally find dull).

Don't get me wrong - I love it here, and don't want to ever go back. But not because of the food.
We have learned to source all kinds of interesting ingredients here and attempt our own spin on different kinds of food. As a consequence my recipe collection and equipment collection has grown a bit. Our attempts arenít always authentic, but I cook way more than I did in the US and try more inventive things.
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We have learned to source all kinds of interesting ingredients here and attempt our own spin on different kinds of food. As a consequence my recipe collection and equipment collection has grown a bit. Our attempts arenít always authentic, but I cook way more than I did in the US and try more inventive things.
Did you ask yourself why you are cooking more?

It it the cost of eating out, the lack of variety or something else?
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Did you ask yourself why you are cooking more?

It it the cost of eating out, the lack of variety or something else?
Better ingredients.

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Better ingredients.

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Says the person who goes shopping in Italy...
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Says the person who goes shopping in Italy...
Only for certain Italian products that cannot be found here. I do most shopping in CH.

Yesterday I bought bread sticks and olives, some Italian cheeses and salumi.

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Did you ask yourself why you are cooking more?

It it the cost of eating out, the lack of variety or something else?
More time, better ingredients, lack of variety and cost when going out. And some things arenít available unless you make them. So all of that.
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Did you ask yourself why you are cooking more?

It it the cost of eating out, the lack of variety or something else?
A combination of factors, in various proportions depending on each individual/family, plus we have more time? I think.
Had I lived in my home country, I would have had dinner at least couple of times per week with my family. (for instance)
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You clearly havenít been to Leicestershire or Lincolnshire recently.

The Ďfull Englishí is a traditional breakfast but there are many other options for breakfast available in the UK.
Not really.
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We've discovered the problem here - it's your ignorance.

You never did let on where you came from yourself. So where is it?
You can call it ignorance, I call it classical or traditional upbringing. There is deffo a cultural clash between us, and at this age it's impossible to change it.

The country where I was born in is not known for good breakfast either. I used to eat bread with butter and a proper black tea in mornings. But since then I've traveled and lived in various places and have seen various cultures.

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You can call it ignorance, I call it classical or traditional upbringing.
Does traditional mean your mother did everything and you just sat down and ate and really have no idea how to cook or what to eat outside her sphere of knowledge?

I wonder what sort of upbringing you think the rest of us were brought up with?
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Not really.
You are clearly totally clueless about the UK and itís obviously pointless trying to educate you.
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And here it's not multicultural enough?
.....If this people/country is not multiculti and cosmopolitan I don't know what to say.....You can find everything you want here too.
I love Switzerland, and I know it has a higher proportion of immigrants than almost anywhere else. But I don't find it especially multicultural, no -- or not what I think of as 'multicultural'. CH takes the American approach of assimilating newcomers. In the UK there are whole suburbs of London, and big areas in most towns, where you could almost be in another country.

Is it true that 'you can find everything you want here'? Well maybe, but it isn't easy. The original topic was how hard it is to find a range of breakfast options, at least outside the big cities. And I've struggled to find certain ingredients for recipes. The usual advice here on EF is something like 'try the Turkish deli on Langstrasse' or 'Globus might have it' which is fine but I don't want to travel 25 km just for that. The upside of this is that we've explored more local options and made plenty of discoveries.

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the problem with UK is it has absolutely zero food culture outside of London. What you said above is true for London (only in last 7 years tho). The moment you go to some places like Leicestershire or Linconlshire, you have no options, well one option, that we are discussing here.
This is a truly ludicrous claim. Lincolnshire is a rural backwater, so I've no idea why you choose that as a yardstick for 'non-London'. But every town of any size will have numerous cafes and small restaurants selling a wide range of food options. What is it you've wanted to eat that you readily find in Switzerland but couldn't easily find in the average English town?
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You are clearly totally clueless about the UK and itís obviously pointless trying to educate you.
I don't expect we will come to any form of understanding over UK food culture, as I'm unbiased but you seem not.

I'm not saying you can't find certain type of cuisine outside London, ofc you can. There are lots of Michelin star restaurants outside of London and they are great.

What I'm saying is that overall level of food culture is extremely low, hence why UK is top 3 obese countries in Europe while having extremely big selection of foods at Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, M&S and Waitrose.

All this is connected ofc.
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I don't expect we will come to any form of understanding over UK food culture, as I'm unbiased but you seem not.

I'm not saying you can't find certain type of cuisine outside London, ofc you can. There are lots of Michelin star restaurants outside of London and they are great.

What I'm saying is that overall level of food culture is extremely low, hence why UK is top 3 obese countries in Europe while having extremely big selection of foods at Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, M&S and Waitrose.

All this is connected ofc.
People who don't like food = obese.

Clear.
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This is a truly ludicrous claim. Lincolnshire is a rural backwater, so I've no idea why you choose that as a yardstick for 'non-London'. But every town of any size will have numerous cafes and small restaurants selling a wide range of food options. What is it you've wanted to eat that you readily find in Switzerland but couldn't easily find in the average English town?
My knowledge of Switzerland ends with Ticino canton. To be honest I wouldn't be able to live elsewhere in CH. So my answer wouldn't make much sense.
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I don't expect we will come to any form of understanding over UK food culture, as I'm unbiased but you seem not.

I'm not saying you can't find certain type of cuisine outside London, ofc you can. There are lots of Michelin star restaurants outside of London and they are great.

What I'm saying is that overall level of food culture is extremely low, hence why UK is top 3 obese countries in Europe while having extremely big selection of foods at Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, M&S and Waitrose.

All this is connected ofc.
What do you mean by "food culture"?

I'm guessing you are an Italian who has lived in London but nowhere else in the UK - correct?
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What do you mean by "food culture"?

I'm guessing you are an Italian who has lived in London but nowhere else in the UK - correct?
You can call me Italian, I don't mind, don't see how this adds to the convo apart from opening possibilities on picking on my country of origin.

A great example for me is Japanese food. I can't say I like it, but they deffo put a lot of effort in making it and have great variety. Have traditions and rituals consuming certain types as well.
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Lincolnshire is a rural backwater, so I've no idea why you choose that as a yardstick for 'non-London'.
Lincolnshire sausages - very distinctive. (flavoured with sage)

Haslet (like fleischkase but 100% more flavoursome). I used to have this a lot as a kid but had completely forgotten about it. I used to think it was French.

Lincolnshire poacher cheese.

Lincolnshire Plum bread.
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You can call me Italian, I don't mind
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A great example for me is Japanese food. I can't say I like it, but they deffo put a lot of effort in making it and have great variety.
What do you like to eat? Even my kids with their poor, non-classical upbringing will eat Japanese food like there's no tomorrow.
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What do you like to eat? Even my kids with their poor, non-classical upbringing will eat Japanese food like there's no tomorrow.
I remember when somebody left a company I worked at, they ordered Sushi, this was eaten by all the Auslanders! The Swiss pretty much turned their noses up a raw fish.

Perhaps he is Swiss
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