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I don't expect we will come to any form of understanding over UK food culture, as I'm unbiased but you seem not.

I'm not saying you can't find certain type of cuisine outside London, ofc you can. There are lots of Michelin star restaurants outside of London and they are great.

What I'm saying is that overall level of food culture is extremely low, hence why UK is top 3 obese countries in Europe while having extremely big selection of foods at Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, M&S and Waitrose.

All this is connected ofc.
I think I am a heck of a lot more unbiased than you are.

I would be the first to admit that there are some diabolical food options in the UK but that could be said for pretty much anywhere. What you don’t seem to be able to see is that there are lots and lots of good options too if you go to the right places.

If you base your opinion of uk food on what you can find in Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s etc you’re not getting a true picture of what the UK has to offer.

All of the things you list as a ‘proper’ breakfast are easily available at cafés in the UK.

And you don’t need to go to a Michelin starred restaurant to get good food, nor do you need to be in London.
You should get out and explore more next time you’re there.
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You can call me Italian, I don't mind, don't see how this adds to the convo apart from opening possibilities on picking on my country of origin.

A great example for me is Japanese food. I can't say I like it, but they deffo put a lot of effort in making it and have great variety. Have traditions and rituals consuming certain types as well.
I'm certainly not picking on Italy - probably the best indigenous / local (whatever you want to call it) food in Europe. I'm just trying to understand your perspective.
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I'm certainly not picking on Italy - probably the best indigenous / local (whatever you want to call it) food in Europe. I'm just trying to understand your perspective.
A perspective he pretends he has expanded by living in various places.

Perhaps it's better to ask what @otec considers a proper breakfast/food?

Did he mention that? I confess I haven't read all replies here.


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I remember when somebody left a company I worked at, they ordered Sushi, this was eaten by all the Auslanders! The Swiss pretty much turned their noses up a raw fish.

Perhaps he is Swiss

It took me a while to eat raw fish anxiety free. lol Not because of the taste, which is great, but was used to eat meat/fish "killed for the second time" as my OH put it. Even now, if you give me beefsteak sinking in blood I won't eat it.
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What do you like to eat? Even my kids with their poor, non-classical upbringing will eat Japanese food like there's no tomorrow.
Japanese food that is being served in Japan and outside of Japan are quite different things. I guess I mean more the food in Japan. When travelling there I found they eat a lot of pork dishes (not just Ramen soups), I couldnt eat those. They eat a lot of fried foods, I like tempura once in a while, but its a bit heavy on stomach.

I like Sushi, altho I was surprised that difficult is to find it outside of Tokyo vs. other foods. Kobe beef is by far my favorite. I had amazing experience at a student restaraunt in Kobe, dont remember its name now. But my fav Janapese food of all is teppanyaki places that serve Wagyu beef, e.g. Yakiniku-Hiro in Kyoto (but there are loads of them).
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My favorite breakfast is teppanyaki Kobe beef as well. I suppose I'd take wagyu if I had to.
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Japanese food that is being served in Japan and outside of Japan are quite different things. I guess I mean more the food in Japan. When travelling there I found they eat a lot of pork dishes (not just Ramen soups), I couldnt eat those. They eat a lot of fried foods, I like tempura once in a while, but its a bit heavy on stomach.
I've been to Japan for work and only ate sushi once. I prefer all the other Japanese food - the stuff you seem to turn your nose up at (or can't eat for other reasons).

You can eat Japanese food as served in Japan outside of Japan.
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I've been to Japan for work and only ate sushi once. I prefer all the other Japanese food - the stuff you seem to turn your nose up at (or can't eat for other reasons).

You can eat Japanese food as served in Japan outside of Japan.
I wish to travel thru Japan with local who can show what to eat and not. Lots of places don't even have English menu so impossible to make the right choice.
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I wish to travel thru Japan with local who can show what to eat and not. Lots of places don't even have English menu so impossible to make the right choice.
I have travelled through Japan and for most of the really good food do you not need an English menu... you book a traditional Japanese hotel, a Ryokan. Looks expensive at first sight because in Europe are we not used to have a dinner included in the room rate. The dinners are typically "Kaiseki" - many small courses where you can try lots of local specialities, typically very seasonal.

I've travelled there multiple times and Sushi is the absolute exception. Getting authentic and good Japanese food in Europe is nearly impossible. I certainly did not have any in Switzerland worth mentioning. There are some good places in Düsseldorf (for some odd reason the largest Japanese enclave in Europe) as well as Amsterdam. Probably the best traditional Japanese food I had in Europe was there: https://www.okura.nl/dine-and-drink/...to-restaurant/
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My knowledge of Switzerland ends with Ticino canton. To be honest I wouldn't be able to live elsewhere in CH. So my answer wouldn't make much sense.
It's really not a trick question. You've been quite abusive about UK food and the availability of different choices. So I'm just curious about what you like to eat that you find widely available across Europe but not in the UK.

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Lincolnshire sausages - very distinctive. (flavoured with sage)

Haslet (like fleischkase but 100% more flavoursome). I used to have this a lot as a kid but had completely forgotten about it. I used to think it was French.

Lincolnshire poacher cheese.

Lincolnshire Plum bread.
You're totally right. In my original post I deleted my reference to Lincolnshire sausages -- probably my favourite of the many traditional English styles -- because I thought that would be picked up as 'proof' that all you get in Lincs is cooked meat for breakfast. I didn't know about poacher cheese or plum bread but they sound great. I'll have to take a gastronomic trip to Lincolnshire.
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I have travelled through Japan and for most of the really good food do you not need an English menu... you book a traditional Japanese hotel, a Ryokan. Looks expensive at first sight because in Europe are we not used to have a dinner included in the room rate. The dinners are typically "Kaiseki" - many small courses where you can try lots of local specialities, typically very seasonal.
its just tempting when you see an obscure door leading to a big restaraunt inside, with traditional wooden table/chefs behind it and all walls are plastered with menu on white papers. all in japanese ofc.

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I've travelled there multiple times and Sushi is the absolute exception. Getting authentic and good Japanese food in Europe is nearly impossible. I certainly did not have any in Switzerland worth mentioning. There are some good places in Düsseldorf (for some odd reason the largest Japanese enclave in Europe) as well as Amsterdam. Probably the best traditional Japanese food I had in Europe was there: https://www.okura.nl/dine-and-drink/...to-restaurant/
I have exactly the same observations. Even in London, its almost impossible to find good Japanese food.
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its just tempting when you see an obscure door leading to a big restaraunt inside, with traditional wooden table/chefs behind it and all walls are plastered with menu on white papers. all in japanese ofc.



I have exactly the same observations. Even in London, its almost impossible to find good Japanese food.
New Malden Korean restaurants are meant to be good though.

One of my favourites living in Wandsworth was the Eritrean restaurant just up from Clapham Junction. At the risk of being called a liar, I can confirm that I've had Eritrean food in Frick, believe it or not.

Aargaus most sparsely populated berzirk is of course a hive of international cuisine...
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Hmm about Japanese food, or any other cuisine, or anything really, first impression matters, a bad first encounter to a food/dish can kill it for a lot of people.

I remember the first time I had a Bürli, those you get at the Bratwurst stand. I hated it, it was dry, hard, chewy, and I thought I don't like it. Until I finally had a freshly baked one, totally did it justice, it's knusprig, aromatic, very much alive.

Flavour preference can go way back as well, in flavour science, previous social interactions create emotional connections to the food, e.g. what your grandma/parents used to reward you when you behave.

Another thing is, a good story can also create that emotion, when you see how it's made in relation to people's life, you kinda appreciate it more, the flavour just start to make sense, I saw this japanese movie called little forest: Summer/Autumn. I never had walnut rice before, but yea totally sold by the narrative:



This one about Marron glacé just calm me down:

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My favorite breakfast is teppanyaki Kobe beef as well. I suppose I'd take wagyu if I had to.
My favourite breakfast is poached eggs with bacon and a bit of dark (preferably rye) bread.

I don't eat like this everyday, but I really enjoy it when I do. I'm happy I have simple tastes, I don't really need much to enjoy food.
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My favourite breakfast is poached eggs with bacon and a bit of dark rye bread.
I'll be honest and say I like the odd big dirty fry up on a weekend. Haven't had one since I was last home over a year ago.

But you could easily tempt me with bacon and eggs on some nice bread.
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My favourite breakfast is poached eggs with bacon and a bit of dark (preferably rye) bread.

I don't eat like this everyday, but I really enjoy it when I do. I'm happy I have simple tastes, I don't really need much to enjoy food.
Good food, simply prepared without fuss. Mine is poached eggs on buttered toast. I don’t like a lot of dark bread here, but I miss Marbled rye. (It’s an American thing).
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Good food, simply prepared without fuss. Mine is poached eggs on buttered toast. I don’t like a lot of dark bread here, but I miss Marbled rye. (It’s an American thing).
Good food simply prepared without fuss is my thing. I cook out of necessity, mostly. Have to feed a few people. My hubby cooks for pleasure and has the energy or passion to follow complicated recipes and amaze us and our guests and win all the laurels. Such is life.
(I don't complain!! )
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