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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

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Apparently it is.

Horse meat is not cheap in Switzerland, it is just less expensive than beef. It is in fact rather expensive here, and it is really cheap in countries, where it is traditionally not eaten by most people. In the US the wholesale price per kilo of horse steak is about 5 USD, which is lower, than beef, veal and even pork. Because people have a lot of horses for leisure, but not a fond of eating them.
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Even mortadella di Bologna contains donkey (all the best sausages do, I was told).

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The Mortadella di Bologna (which is considered the standard for Mortadella) is made exclusively of pig. There is a Sicilian Mortadella made with donkey.
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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Well;

Calories
100 grams of cooked horse meat contains 175 calories, with 55 of those calories coming from fat.
By comparison, 100 grams of standard ground beef with 30% fat has 273 calories with 164 of those coming from fat.

Fat Content
Horse meat is listed to be containing only 6 grams of fat per hundred grams, 2 grams of saturated fat and 64 mg of cholesterol. It’s not surprising, with most horses eating more grass than processed grain pellets, that their meat would be relatively low-fat.
Ground beef is listed as having 18 grams of fat in total, with 7 grams of saturated fat and 1 gram of trans fat. Total cholesterol is 82 mg.
Intensive cattle production uses lots of fattening grain pellets as the primary feed and often synthetic hormones to speed up the animal’s weight gain.Cattle fed grain as their main diet will always be much higher in fat compared to those that are grass fed.

Protein
The protein content of horse meat is around 28 grams per 100 grams, making this a high protein food.
Ground beef is comparable, though a little lower, with 25 grams per 100 gram serving.


Vitamins and Minerals
The levels of certain vitamins and mineral in horse meat are quite high. It is a particularly rich source of iron and it also has good amounts of the minerals zinc, selenium and phosphorus and of the B vitamins niacin, B6 and B12.
Ground beef is also considered a good source of iron, though it is significantly lower than horse meat, with less than half the content. Zinc and selenium are higher in ground beef though and it also contains a good concentration of most of the B vitamins.

So it’s better for you than beef. What’s not to like.
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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Thanks. I was not aware where horse meat comes from.

Personally I am ok with eating old animal, whether it is horse, cow or rabbit. What I always avoid is to eat babies (veal).


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Yes, I can explain why eating horse meat is bad. (actually they all are, but..)

For the simple reason because there is no horse cattle farming which means cattle raised for meat production, consumation.

This has been forbidden by law and there are no farms.

What happens is, we still do have horses , for sports, for leisure in some eastern countries often gypsies still use them for transport etc.

Once those horses are ill, very old, died ... they are taken by some companies and this meat is sold at supermarkets at obviously a lower price than beef/porc yet , even if we had horse farming that meat would be very expensive due to the difficulty to reproduce them as they're a very fragile animals despite of being very strong.

Because of their fragile health they do die at a high rate and in the Netherlands there's horse meat trading. This meat later on is re-sold to the big industry that makes frozen lasagna,frozen burgers etc. and is incorporated in the "meat" content of the finished product.

From what I know, this meat is "worse" than beef/pork/chicken, because of those reasos (no farming) the whole procedure of how and where from that meat comes from is of doubtful origin and no one knows the procedures (storage of that meat,stabilisators used etc)
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Thanks. I was not aware where horse meat comes from.

Personally I am ok with eating old animal, whether it is horse, cow or rabbit. What I always avoid is to eat babies (veal).
But as most male calves don’t live very long anyway, not consuming veal is a waste.
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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

After trying horse meat I thought, “neigh”.
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Yes, I can explain why eating horse meat is bad. (actually they all are, but..)

For the simple reason because there is no horse cattle farming which means cattle raised for meat production, consumation.

This has been forbidden by law and there are no farms.

What happens is, we still do have horses , for sports, for leisure in some eastern countries often gypsies still use them for transport etc.

Once those horses are ill, very old, died ... they are taken by some companies and this meat is sold at supermarkets at obviously a lower price than beef/porc yet , even if we had horse farming that meat would be very expensive due to the difficulty to reproduce them as they're a very fragile animals despite of being very strong.

Because of their fragile health they do die at a high rate and in the Netherlands there's horse meat trading. This meat later on is re-sold to the big industry that makes frozen lasagna,frozen burgers etc. and is incorporated in the "meat" content of the finished product.

From what I know, this meat is "worse" than beef/pork/chicken, because of those reasos (no farming) the whole procedure of how and where from that meat comes from is of doubtful origin and no one knows the procedures (storage of that meat,stabilisators used etc)
While this may be true in the USA - in more open minded (or is that countries that actually have safety checks on food?) countries there are quite a few horse meat farms.


You'll find that if you look for a "macelleria equina" in Italy, these are butchers specializing in horse meat. The better ones will declare which farm their meat comes from.

Horses need to be declared as DPA or non-DPA in Italy; meaning (translated) "destined for food use" (destinato produzione alimentare).

Slaughter animals that are DPA have stringent controls on what drugs and chemicals are administered to them, to avoid contaminating the supply chain. A work horse can have antibiotics and what not administered freely, but a food horse not so easily...



One fun fact - the saddle that is colloquially known as the "American" saddle (with a pommel) is actually a Tuscan saddle. The "Butteri" were horse-farmers in tuscany. When the |wild west| became a thing, they brought with them their saddle.Guess what animal the butteri would farm? That's right - horses. In Italian, we call them "cavalli bradi" (wild horses), as the herds are bread for food, not for riding... so they've never been broken in and ridden.

Please do not assume the whole word does what one country does. In some countries the thought of eating rabbits or snails is horrific. My Chinese friend finds the thought of eating cheese is revolting (it's rotten liquid from the udders of a cow, why would you eat that?); while when I lived in Western Africa, bushrat was a common meal. My grandmother (from near Venice), would consider cat a Christmas meal, while in some areas a baby lamb or pig is a festive meal. Ever had "prairie oysters"? Or tuna sperm? Or squid ink? Or eggs cooked in pre-adolescent kids pee? Or milk and cow blood? Cyanide containing casava root? Flour made from fermented fake-banana palm (also poisonois pre-fermentation)?

Putting one cultural standard on another is a recipe for disaster...

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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Spinal, up to you to believe this or that. Maybe have a look around, talk to some people , find a farm where there is "horse farming" and track the whole procedure, how from the slaughterhouse goes to the supermarket.

One of the problems in general is how people trust the governement and its agencies and we all know how there's a lot of bureaucracy involved and we believe how "things are checked" "if it's in the supermarket then that means it was verrified on many levels" etc etc. Only because everyone forgets how when there's a lot of $ there are a lot of loopholes.
Those who benefit from a loophole will lobby legislators or regulators to leave the loophole open. Scandals will happen , some buzz , people will think "oh now they've fixed it" but things go back as they were , and people continue trusting the system until the next scandal.



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FairDinkum, you are implying that you have a good explanation in two of your posts. If you really think your explanation holds water, please share it with us.
sorry I cant. I'm not here to convince anyone anything. If you think how those big lines I drew are wrong and "horse meat is good" "yeah we like it we often eat that it's really good" "mmm my uncle loves it says it's great" ..then fine. Otherwise, apply some common sense and take it from there .
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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Canada, Alberta and Quebec in particular, is a big exporter of horse meat. And yes they are farmed like cattle.
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Spinal, up to you to believe this or that. Maybe have a look around, talk to some people , find a farm where there is "horse farming" and track the whole procedure, how from the slaughterhouse goes to the supermarket.

One of the problems in general is how people trust the governement and its agencies and we all know how there's a lot of bureaucracy involved and we believe how "things are checked" "if it's in the supermarket then that means it was verrified on many levels" etc etc. Only because everyone forgets how when there's a lot of $ there are a lot of loopholes.
Those who benefit from a loophole will lobby legislators or regulators to leave the loophole open. Scandals will happen , some buzz , people will think "oh now they've fixed it" but things go back as they were , and people continue trusting the system until the next scandal.





sorry I cant. I'm not here to convince anyone anything. If you think how those big lines I drew are wrong and "horse meat is good" "yeah we like it we often eat that it's really good" "mmm my uncle loves it says it's great" ..then fine. Otherwise, apply some common sense and take it from there .

Considering my uncle is a buttero, who has a sizeable heard in Tuscany... I'm happy having seen the process (literally from birth to bringing the horses to the slaughterhouse) several times as we spent summers there when I was younger.

The thing I hated the most? Riding for a week, 6-8 hours a day... if you're not used to it, sitting down after the first day or two is painful...

I find the whole food debate entertaining. I personally choose not to eat halal meat (having spent years in western africa, and been witness to the slaughter and noises, it's not something I like) and not to eat heavily processed food (e.g. vegan "meat"). Beyond that, I'll try anything.

That said - when Im travelling, or with others - I'll even eat the things I try not to eat. Why? Because I'm in someone elses house, country or culture - it's a matter of respect.

(though I will NEVER try mare kumis again. that's the only thing I ever tried that made me hurl on the spot). Also in Mongolia, had an interesting converation with a loca guy - his view was that "eating grass is not our role. The goats eat the grass, we eat the goats. That's the natural order of things" (this was after I asked why even the vegetable dumplings had minced meat sprinkled on top). I don't entirely agree (I think we are omnivores, we evolved eating everything and can't change that in a few measly millenia)
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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Bowlie, Alberta is a very strong center for horse race breeding... Just like in europe this is why they end up with a lot of "horse meat" for the market.

Otherwise, we can breed for food anything. Just name it .. the only problem is the price , because if you're breeding horses, tigers, elephants for food.. the costs are very high and it might be also illegal.

Still, in the world in China and otehr countries they are breeding some special animals and usually it's aimed for a very rich clientele. Just like angus beef costs so much you can imagine how much horse meat would cost if it was going throught the same procedure as beef/pork`/poultry.
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The Mortadella di Bologna (which is considered the standard for Mortadella) is made exclusively of pig. There is a Sicilian Mortadella made with donkey.
Nowadays.

"La Mortadella Bologna IGP è prodotta da una miscela di carni prettamente suine, ma non è stato sempre così. Un tempo la mortadella veniva prodotta con carni suine ma anche con carni equine (cavallo e asino) o con carni bovine"

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Re: Why is horse meat cheap?

Donkeys are so awesome, I can't think of eating it. Ever. Once I ate kangaroo goulash by accident, it haunted me.
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Donkeys are so awesome
We LOVE donkey sausages!

Tapulone is great!

https://www.villacrespi.it/en/magazi...ucts/tapulone/

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We LOVE donkey sausages!

Tapulone is great!

https://www.villacrespi.it/en/magazi...ucts/tapulone/

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Yes, DONKEY!

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Nowadays.

"La Mortadella Bologna IGP è prodotta da una miscela di carni prettamente suine, ma non è stato sempre così. Un tempo la mortadella veniva prodotta con carni suine ma anche con carni equine (cavallo e asino) o con carni bovine"

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Sure but you were speaking Inthe present in your post, not the past hence my "correction" so that if anyone busy Mortdalle di Bologna "today" it has no donkey.
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Sure but you were speaking Inthe present in your post, not the past hence my "correction" so that if anyone busy Mortdalle di Bologna "today" it has no donkey.
Alas, I wasn't aware that they'd stopped.

It is still commonly used in Italy, however. And not just in Sicilia.

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komsomolez, I can explain that as well . Why it is of 'no good' but I dont want to keep on making monologues here, maybe someone else will pop in with a good explanation.
…nothing bad in horse meat, even is better than beef by quality, if is grown organically...but majority of horse meat from supermarkets is come out of horse races then:
Inquiry into horse meat sources in the UK also revealed that Aintree racecourse has a contract with a licensed slaughterhouse in West Yorkshire to remove dead Grand National race horses. It is illegal for horses euthanised by injection to be put into the human food chain.[66] Many chemical agents used for animal euthanasia leave residues in the meat which may be harmful to humans, and have caused sickness and death in animal predators and scavengers.[67] Aintree officials stated they were "as confident as we possibly can be that no unfit meat ever reaches the human food chain."[66]

Phenylbutazone
In January 2013, concerns first arose about the possibility that horse meat containing traces of the veterinary drug phenylbutazone could enter the human food chain,[34][51] in spite of regulations that horses treated with it cannot legally be used for human consumption.[68] The drug, commonly known as "bute", is used as an analgesic in horses...
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I thought they used ‘captive bolts’ for race horses. At least that’s what Dick Francis told me.
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