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... but an average vegan will generally tell you, at length, why they refuse to use any animal products (except shoe leather, in some people I know - they refuse to answer my questions on shoes) and try to convince the rest of the world to do the same.
Not the ones I know.

I do have a friend who jokes that she is a "flexitarian" because she does still eat shrimp.
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Not the ones I know.

I do have a friend who jokes that she is a "flexitarian" because she does still eat shrimp.
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Re: Restaurants without pork

Maybe look for a Jewish restaurant.

Thank you for leaving more pork to me. Yum.
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... but an average vegan will generally tell you, at length, why they refuse to use any animal products (except shoe leather, in some people I know - they refuse to answer my questions on shoes) and try to convince the rest of the world to do the same.
I'm a half assed vegan who eats honey (well I'm a honey reducer if you like) and takes medicine tested on animals and even i manage to avoid leather shoes.
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Religion. Luckily, I can safely eat pork and still end up in heaven
but you won't have the 72 Virgins
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Saturated fats and trans fats causes the greatest risk to health. Multiple conditions have been associated with pork consumption (diabetes, MS, cardiovascular disease, obesity, cirrhosis, and multiple types of cancer). Also pigs may be grown on hormones. You cannot tell exactly what kind of meat you are eating in a restaurant. That's why many people switch to vegetarian.
Sorry but your writing is a complete gibberish, based on 30 years old facts, of which many were found wrong:
- eating meat by itself is not unhealthy (but eating too much of it is)

- eating fat is not unhealthy (but eating too much of it is)
- saturated fat is not harmful but trans fat is, and trans fat can be also vegetable fat (mayo, margarine,...)

- label "vegan" doesn't mean healthy, long past are the times when "vegan" was done by enthusiasts, now it's fully mainstream and happily incorporated into industry and guess so, it's done with the cheapest ingredients available. Check "vegan" puff pastry for example.

- often (but not necessary) dieatarian variants of classic food (gluten free, vegan, etc) use some kind of additives to achieve needed properties (emulsificatiors, thickeners,.....) Sometimes they are unhealthy too.


Food is healthy if you don't spare on ingredients and if it is prepared carefully. So, if you want to eat healthy, eat local produced food from know producer. A stew made from meat of an old milk cow will do better to you and the word than a salad made of imported avocados and tomatoes. On the other side, a sausage that saw half of Eurasia on it's way to your plate is much worse.
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Saturated fats and trans fats causes the greatest risk to health. Multiple conditions have been associated with pork consumption (diabetes, MS, cardiovascular disease, obesity, cirrhosis, and multiple types of cancer). Also pigs may be grown on hormones. You cannot tell exactly what kind of meat you are eating in a restaurant. That's why many people switch to vegeterian.
Almost none of this is true. OK, pigs can be grown on hormones, just like every other animal including fish. And its not only that - antibiotics and often highly processed junk food that transforms ie salmon into very unhealthy meat. Unless you eat BIO or similar standard which very few restaurants serve, if yes they definitely advertise it heavily and price is adequately multiple times higher.

Sugar will mess you up much worse than trans fats (which are still unhealthy). Current health crisis in US is provably mainly due to addition of high-fructose corn syrup into almost everything in past few decades due to heavy lobbying of US corn growers. Which is just pure sugar, added into all food.

BIO pork tenderloin is one of the healthiest meats out there, very little of any fat. Trans fats don't even come primarily from pigs - highly processed foods are the primary source of them. Like: cakes, cookies, crackers, margarine, fried potatoes, potato chips, popcorn and household shortening.

Do a bit of research, its literally 1 google query away.
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My daughter is a school-vegetarian. She requested us to register her as a vegetarian at school as the veggie lunches were generally better.
This generally also applies to airline meals as well....
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This generally also applies to airline meals as well....
Except Lufthansa, their quasi "feta" sandwich was one of the worst sandwiches I ever ate: it was soggy and dry and too salty and tasteless at the same time. Oh, and penne with green pesto were similar. It was like eating with corona, just 2 years before it
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Fat is storing layer by layer on intestine.
Just like your posts are layer upon layer when they could have been one post only

and no, fat is not stored "layer by layer on the intestine" this is something i will not even begin to argue as it would give credibility to this utter non-sense

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but you won't have the 72 Virgins
Having to deal with 72 virgins is my definition of hell, not heaven, but to each his own. Now, where's that pork shoulder i was planning to BBQ...
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Sorry but your writing is a complete gibberish, based on 30 years old facts, of which many were found wrong:
- eating meat by itself is not unhealthy (but eating too much of it is)

- eating fat is not unhealthy (but eating too much of it is)
- saturated fat is not harmful but trans fat is, and trans fat can be also vegetable fat (mayo, margarine,...)

- label "vegan" doesn't mean healthy, long past are the times when "vegan" was done by enthusiasts, now it's fully mainstream and happily incorporated into industry and guess so, it's done with the cheapest ingredients available. Check "vegan" puff pastry for example.

- often (but not necessary) dieatarian variants of classic food (gluten free, vegan, etc) use some kind of additives to achieve needed properties (emulsificatiors, thickeners,.....) Sometimes they are unhealthy too.


Food is healthy if you don't spare on ingredients and if it is prepared carefully. So, if you want to eat healthy, eat local produced food from know producer. A stew made from meat of an old milk cow will do better to you and the word than a salad made of imported avocados and tomatoes. On the other side, a sausage that saw half of Eurasia on it's way to your plate is much worse.
I donít know if you watched Game Changer on Netflix about the whole Veggie meat debate and direct impact on peopleís health and lifestyle. Certainly got me thinking that you can get all the good stuff we need from veggies that historically we thought we needed meat.

Iím a meat lover by the way.
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Old 14.08.2021, 11:18
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I donít know if you watched Game Changer on Netflix
A movie that has been now widely dismissed by the scientific and nutrition community. Food, as in almost everything is about balance and dogmatic notions are usually proven wrong.

There are no bad foods, there are bad diets.
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As per k_and_e.

I was in a restaurant (ok, mountain restaurant while skiing) and the tomato soup came with or without sausage.
I asked for without, to witness them pouring the bowl of soup, fishing out the pieces of sausage, and bringing it over.
Now try having a food allergy or food-triggered autoimmune disease and youíll understand the great difficulty of restaurants in general but Switzerland in particular *facepalm*
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Old 14.08.2021, 13:10
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50% of statements on this thread are non-fact and if one is so specific of eating pork or whatever in a restaurant, stay home and cook your food..
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How visceral fat is stored then?
You are utterly confusing the nutritional element called "fat" with the type of lipids called fat which is stored as an energy reserve in the adipose tissue and under the skin. It's indeed unfortunate that they both share the same name and it makes people believe that fat = fat when in reality, it's carb, protein and fat that COULD lead to lipid buildup.
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Now try having a food allergy or food-triggered autoimmune disease and youíll understand the great difficulty of restaurants in general but Switzerland in particular *facepalm*
At least they normally have the packet from which the food came out of to check when you ask at restaurants here. It's easy to read and check the ingredients that way.

Doesn't exactly put the restaurant in a good light when you ask whether a sauce contains something like flour and they tell you they'll check the packet!
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gaburko, please blink 3 times followed by 1 sharp blink if you've been kidnapped by some big corp, politicians fraternity club or you're running in politics yourself

seriously " A movie that has been now widely dismissed by the scientific and nutrition community. Food, as in almost everything is about balance and dogmatic notions are usually proven wrong."
sure
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At least they normally have the packet from which the food came out of to check when you ask at restaurants here. It's easy to read and check the ingredients that way.

Doesn't exactly put the restaurant in a good light when you ask whether a sauce contains something like flour and they tell you they'll check the packet!
Yep I’ve had that experience or the chef who mysteriously “doesn’t know”. A hotel/restaurant owner once told me that he had a crew of ladies come in and prepare meals one day a week, then he flash froze them and stored them for the week. All the kitchen staff had to do was select the ordered meal out of the freezer and heat it up.
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Re: Restaurants without pork

I like those places where you can see the chefs cooking, rather than it being hidden in the back.

Regarding fat. Decades ago, possibly early 20th century, one scientist was interested in how the Inuit survive, fairly healthily on a diet comprising seal meat. For one year, he ate the same diet, and remained healthy.

The next year, he cut out the fat, and became ill quite quickly due to nutrient difficiency. Fat contains all the flavour and (aside from protein), the main nutrients in the meat.

The best joints have marbling - fat running through the meat.

I enjoy eating animal fat, in moderation. It is not in and of itself "unhealthy". A small amount will not harm you at all, and can be beneficial at curbing appetite.
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Just go onto a site like eat.ch or mosis.ch and you can get an overview of the menus
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