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Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

This thread is stemming from the thread "peanut butter?"

Thank you, Lynn! As far as I know, Cadbury is English. Anyone else support that or do we have to google it for proof? What has the world come to these days?!

Hershey was my favorite American chocolate until Nestle bought it.

Why have several Swiss told me that the best chocolate is from Belgium if Switzerland is supposed to be the great chocolate land? Does anyone have any idea, other than telling me to go google?

We always had Cadbury eggs in America when I was a kid. They've got extremely high sentimental value to me. I don't care what the cost is or where I am in the world - when I want one, I just want one.

When I see the hollow Swiss bunnies in the Migros, I almost fear an attack. There are loads of them, they all look alike and they are all lined up in a row just like ..... well, chocolate bunnie soldiers!

It's not the kind of Easter that I'm used to.
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Old 15.03.2006, 08:51
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Going shopping with small kids must be a nightmare... Easter is still a long way off and every supermarkt already has huge displays of chocolate bunnies, eggs and other goodies. I can just imagine the dramas now... thank goodness I don't have kids yet!

As for Belgian chocolate... I've had some, they are very good but I little too heavy for my tastes... Each to their own!
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Hi Carrie,

If you buy Cadbury Eggs in the US, I would be willing to bet that they are made in the US, and the taste has probably been alterted to suit American tastes. This sort of thing is common to almost every brand that is sold in different countries. This has nothing to do with where the company may have originated from.

In the case of chocolate the recipies used in Anglo-Saxon countries are officially not considered chocolate by continental European countries. I can't remember the exact details, but the product is very different.

An interesting statistic - the Swiss consume more chocolate per head than any other nation in Europe - 10kg per person per year.

There's also been a trend lately towards dark chocolate. It seems to be reported in many women's magazines that dark chocolate is somehow more healthy. The chocolate industry is trying to propogate that myth, in the same was as the cigarette industry tried to tell us that low tar cigarettes are somehow a healthier choice

As for the bunnies - I've always seen plenty of hollow bunnies in every country I've lived in. The difference in Migros is there is probably only 1 type of bunny, and the Swiss will tell you that [swiss]it is economically inefficient to have more than one type of bunny, and why would you need so many types of chocolate at Easter anyway.[/swiss]

Don't eat too many eggs now....
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Cadbury's is now Cadbury's - Schweppes. Schweppe was Swiss, strangely enough and Cadbury was indeed English. It (Cadbury's - Schweppes) like most other mergers these days is not particular to one country.

As for Cadbury's being classified as chocolate, I have to express my horror at the thought of this. If you consider vegetable fat, sugar and various other emulsifiers (with a sprinkling of cocao powder) to be chocolate then so be it. Cadbury's, Hershey's and all other candy bar style treats should not and cannot be called chocolate. I admit to succumbing to the odd peanut butter cup, but not because I crave chocolate.

Swiss chocolate is good, but not all of it and I have to agree that for the connoissuer, Belgian chocolate is by far superior, especially when you're getting into the €15 10 chocolate box variety that you almost don't want to eat. Some things are just Belgian, waffles, frites & moules, beer and chocolate (Johnny Halliday and Jacques Brel).

The Belgians and the French (and I should imagine the Swiss) have legislation on what can be called chocolate and what the percentage of chocolate content should be, cocoa solids and cocao butter. Cadbury's does not meet this standard as it is just a crystalized, watery yet somewhat waxy slab of fatty gloop. Damn them to spend an eternity in the midrange heat and eternal limbo that is purgatory.

I'm going off on one...

Explore chocolate, real chocolate - starting with something accessible like Lindt 70%, then 76% and work your way up to the 82% and finally go for the 100% chocolate that will make your face buckle, not out of bitterness, but out of sourness. You need to eat it in what I call a 'Chocolate Sandwich' - a piece of 76% with a piece of 100%, what an explosion, then you really discover the taste of chocolate. Then you will agree with me that Cadbury's is not chocolate.

You can't eat the 100% chocolate, I cook with it. I cook rabbit with red wine and chocolate sauce, I also use it for game and duck, mmm duck with chocolate sauce, these are traditional recipes calling for chocolate, imagine using Cadbury's!
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

I'd love some cadbury's mine eggs with Uk recipe. And snowdrops as well.

As much as love the choccy here, it's perhaps *too* good, and i hanker for some childhood anglo-saxon rubbish...
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

I like Cadbury's chocolate and Creme Eggs at Easter are a tradition! I've already had a few from the London Store!! Swiss chocolate can be better than Cadbury's but not the stuff the bunnies are made from; that tastes really bad. I guess with chocolate it's a matter of taste but you do get what you pay for in terms of ingrediants.

Mark, chocolate, if you eat the darker varieties with at least 70% cocoa solids, has been found to be healthy. It contains as many antioxidents as red wine or tea, can lower blood pressure, it contains a healthy compound called epicatechin, it can lower bad cholestoral and improve heart function. Of course it also contains caffine and a fair bit of fat and many of the studies that have published the above reults also say eat it in moderation. But it need not be a guilty pleasure

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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Hi Lou,

The marginal health benefits of dark chocolate are far outweighed by the fact that you are consuming an incredibly high amount of calories with very little nutritional value. Any benefit you might get will be negated by the fat, sugars etc. Sure - if you only have one or two pieces as part of a controlled diet no problem.

My main point here is that to say it is healthy is a bit of a misrepresentation and does nothing but pander to people who are looking for any excuse not to feel guilty. If you eat 1 or 2 pieces no need to feel guilty - but can you eat half a block and say "Oh it's ok - that's dark chocolate it's good for me"?

I know you did point out that it should be taken in moderation, the problem is that people often skim read these magazine articles or just read the headlines. People who are looking for an excuse also take away just the parts of the story which are convenient for them...

It wasn't that long ago that doctors recommended their patients take up smoking... If you look hard enough you can find health benefits in almost anything.
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Such excessive moderation!
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Drink enough water, it'll kill you. What is thr current safe amount to drink again...?

Maybe dark choccy is not so bad after all - guy I used to work with found dark choc had a laxative effect, so kinda balanced itself out
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Hi Mark, my main source of information was an article published in "The Lancet" (medical journal for thoses who have never heard of it) and not a women's magazine or the like. The article does actually state that chocolate (min 70%) is healthy as part of a balanced diet. I totally agree with your points and have no argument with them at all.

Lou: a person totally incapable of eating only 1 or 2 pieces of chocolate and leaving the rest for another day
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that in Switzerland, mixing chocolate and peppermint is almost a capital crime?

The only peppermint chocolate I have found here is After Eight, and I am sorry, that is a poor excuse for peppermint chocolate at best. Are the Swiss alergic to peppermint? Or does it have something to do with the attempted invasion of Switzerland by the Peppermint Huns in 1594?

Everytime I get a visit from a friend or relo I get them to bring some Cadburys Peppermint chocolate. The amount of time it survives can only be measured by the most expensive scientific devices.
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

I have it on good authority that chocolate in the UK is horrid. The missus tells me.

But she does seek out the bars marked 92%
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

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In the case of chocolate the recipies used in Anglo-Saxon countries are officially not considered chocolate by continental European countries. I can't remember the exact details, but the product is very different.
Actually this is very not true. In the early 90's Belgium, Germany and France introduced a motion to have chocolate containing a minimum of 50% cocoa otherwise it would be a candy bar or something similar. UK strongly opposed and eventually Germany as well, supported by Switzerland(!!). The current regulation defines chocolate as containting at least 1% cocoa... So go on be a devil Cadbury's chocolate eggs are indeed chocolate. Not good chocolate but at 10% cocoa easily chocolate - also in the US 10% is their minimum.

Now here are two interesting things.

Firstly, actually Belgian chocolate is not that good. They do make very fine confections but not chocolate. Okay being pedantict but the best chocolate is from France or from Spain. Recommended would definitely be Chocolat Bonnat or Michel Cluizel (FR) or Enric Rovira (ES) - Galler is easily the best Belgian...

And secondly, there is no caffeine in coffee - not one drop unless it is coffee chocolate. And Chocolate is actually rather healthy. As Mark should know fat is not necessarily bad it all depends. And Chocolate contains theobromine which is known to imrpove circulation and heart function - read the Lancet for more...

I know I should not have mentioned it but now all those women (and men) can justify the bar a day. As long of course as it is a pure chocolate bar and not a sugary substitute...
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

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I don't know what planet you're from to say that belgian chocolate is 'NOT THAT GOOD(!!)', humm... have you tried godiva? neuhaus? or even a mass produced belgian chocolate like 'cote d'or' ? you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: Swiss Chocolate vs. Cadbury eggs

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I don't know what planet you're from to say that belgian chocolate is 'NOT THAT GOOD(!!)', humm... have you tried godiva? neuhaus? or even a mass produced belgian chocolate like 'cote d'or' ? you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Belgianflier, since this is your first post I'm going to have to ask you to show a little bit more respect for our members. Chocolate is a matter of taste, perhaps Richard's tastes differ to yours. But there is no excuse to say something like "you obviously don't know what you are talking about", it's agressive, rude and uncalled for. Please find a more polite way of addressing people whom you don't know around here in future.
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I don't know what planet you're from to say that belgian chocolate is 'NOT THAT GOOD(!!)', humm... have you tried godiva? neuhaus? or even a mass produced belgian chocolate like 'cote d'or' ? you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Well clearly you never read what I said. We are referring to Chocolate and not confections the production of which is a Belgium speciality. Godiva for example does not have one decent chocolate bar but does have many very fine sweet delights. Neuhaus do actually make decent chocolate in particular their west african tablet and their napo's aren't bad. Cote d'or is a la Nestle - some good stuff mingled with rubbish.

However for real chocolate you just need to pop over the border into France! And if you ask pretty well anyone outside of Belgium (Even some Swiss, Forbes etc) where the best chocolate comes from you will get a pretty similar answer - France, being more specific Metz, Dijon etc wherever the best burgundy is is the best chocolate... And I am English so that takes some saying(not the wine bit)...

Oh and just as an aside I very definitely do know what I am talking about.
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However for real chocolate you just need to pop over the border into France! And if you ask pretty well anyone outside of Belgium (Even some Swiss, Forbes etc) where the best chocolate comes from you will get a pretty similar answer - France, being more specific Metz, Dijon etc wherever the best burgundy is is the best chocolate... And I am English so that takes some saying(not the wine bit)...
Well stated...except one small little point....I believe the fine folks around Turin would dispute the claim that the French produce the best chocolate. And...just for the record...the best chocolate in the world comes from Felchlin in Switzerland. See http://www.felchlin.com/e/frames/main.html

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I believe the fine folks around Turin would dispute the claim that the French produce the best chocolate.
I do concede that the Italians have some very fine chocolatiers and produce some very fine stuff...

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And...just for the record...the best chocolate in the world comes from Felchlin in Switzerland. See http://www.felchlin.com/e/frames/main.html

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I think we both know this was nearly 3 years ago and you would have thought it was the most important news ever...

Oh and seeing as I am talking to someone knowledgeable the best part of our tasmanian friends post was the ignorance that Godiva is Belgium... It started there for sure but it is a bit tongue in cheek to call it Belgium chocolate.
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Jack, forget to mention that in my opinion Felchlin apart from having a nearly very unfortunate name produce very probably the finest, if not the only, white chocolate in the world and the universe ever.

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I think we both know this was nearly 3 years ago and you would have thought it was the most important news ever...
Ok...and I concede that the award was October 2004...I haven't been able to locate the 2005 winner, and 2006 is not yet finished. BUT...it is a damn good chocolate... By the way...I am also a fan of some of the French chocolates, and in my humble opinion, it is really impossible to say for sure who makes the best chocolate. That would clearly depend on how 'best' is defined...

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Oh and seeing as I am talking to someone knowledgeable the best part of our tasmanian friends post was the ignorance that Godiva is Belgium... It started there for sure but it is a bit tongue in cheek to call it Belgium chocolate.
It might also be interesting to point out that the finest early Belgium chocolate houses were established by the Swiss...and...all roads leading to great chocolate began in Turin during the 18th century...
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