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Wine storage

Can anyone recommend any cellaring services that charge by the case in Switzerland or UK?
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Re: Wine storage

I have a question about storing sparkling wines. Half the time I've heard it's best to store horizontally like other wines and the other times I've heard it doesn't matter or it's best to stand the bottles up.

Can anyone weigh in on this?
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Can anyone recommend any cellaring services that charge by the case in Switzerland or UK?
Mövenpick Wine does cellaring by the case.
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Re: Wine storage

In the UK, the Wine Society offer a service for cellaring wines -- but I think this only applies to wines purchased from the Society?

http://www.thewinesociety.com/Servic...39;%20Reserves
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Re: Wine storage

When it comes to storing/cellaring wine, there are several locations in Zürich which offer this service. If you can read German, then here are two web sites to look at:

stüssikeller.ch
weinlagergemeinschaften

You will for sure find a solution in either site.

With respect to storing sparkling wine/champagne...It has been suggested by some professionals that champagnes age more gracefully if stored upright rather than horizontal, but this has not been proven. Either method is ok, just pay attention to the conditions...dark, relatively cool (10-14 degrees C ideally), no temperature swings, relatively high humidity, and no other strong aromas nearby...
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Re: Wine storage

Quality Sparkling Wine and Champagne tends to be stored in a position, so the cork is downwards like on this picture http://www.rocknrollrich.co.uk/Champ...-05%20002a.jpg

If i remember correctly, the reason is, that some crystals will form, and it is better, if thye get stuck to the cork, than stay in the bottle.

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Quality Sparkling Wine and Champagne tends to be stored in a position, so the cork is downwards like on this picture http://www.rocknrollrich.co.uk/Champ...-05%20002a.jpg

If i remember correctly, the reason is, that some crystals will form, and it is better, if thye get stuck to the cork, than stay in the bottle.

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Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I couldn't let that advice go unchallenged.

The "storage" of the Champagne in the picture you link to is not storage at all, but an essential part of the production process, in which the sediment produced by the secondary fermentation is teased into the neck of the bottle so that it can be removed (by freezing, expelling, and quickly recorking).

Champagne, like all wine that you intend to keep for more than a few weeks, should be stored horizontally.
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I have a question about storing sparkling wines. Half the time I've heard it's best to store horizontally like other wines and the other times I've heard it doesn't matter or it's best to stand the bottles up.

Can anyone weigh in on this?
It is BOTH ! You however from time to time, every 2nd or 3rd week, turn the bottles. And then, some few hours before consumption get the chosen bottle up from the cellar and into your refrigerator.
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It is BOTH ! You however from time to time, every 2nd or 3rd week, turn the bottles. And then, some few hours before consumption get the chosen bottle up from the cellar and into your refrigerator.
You're getting confused between the production process and storage.

Champagne and other sparkling wines made by the methode champenoise are stored in those racks in the picture, and yes, are rotated periodically, eventually ending up with the bottles almost vertical. This is to encourage the sediment caused by the secondary fermentation to end up in the neck of the bottle. Once it's in the neck, they freeze the necks, uncap the bottles, whereupon the frozen sediment is ejected by the pressure of the CO2. A proper cork is then inserted, along with the wire enclosure.

Once the wine is in your cellar or wine rack, you should always store horizontally to prevent the cork from drying out, contracting, and admitting air.
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You're getting confused between the production process and storage. Champagne and other sparkling wines made by the methode champenoise are stored in those racks in the picture, and yes, are rotated periodically, eventually ending up with the bottles almost vertical. ......

Once the wine is in your cellar or wine rack, you should always store horizontally to prevent the cork from drying out, contracting, and admitting air.
Correct on the Champagne. However opinion on storage is divided with now a sizeable body of opinion holding that it's better to store vertically to keep the wine away from the cork and avoiding the wine getting corked. The plastic or aluminium covers now used are thought to be sufficiently airtight to prevent any damage to the wine.

Of course there are also traditionalists who hold the other view. I've no idea who is right, my bottles are horizontal as that's the way my wine rack is!
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Re: Wine storage

Mine are upside down.

I was happy that my wines did not suffer from the sudden heat wave then sudden freeze during July.
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Re: Wine storage

I belive wine should be consumed not to be stored, it does not make sense to me buying wine and put it in the cellar finding out 2 years later that al corks have started to rott.

Sparkling wine should be consumed asap, cant see why they should turn out better after a few years.

Trye sparkling grape juice, tastes a lot better and it is realy refreshing.
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I belive wine should be consumed not to be stored, it does not make sense to me buying wine and put it in the cellar finding out 2 years later that al corks have started to rott.

Sparkling wine should be consumed asap, cant see why they should turn out better after a few years.

Trye sparkling grape juice, tastes a lot better and it is realy refreshing.
The corks won't rot if the wine is stored properly.The very obvious reason that people store good quality wine is that it tends to improve with age. Of course, there are many wines that should be drunk young: most dry whites and light reds like Beaujolais for instance.

I bought a lot of mid-range Bordeaux 2005s in 2006, when they were cheap. In 5 years time, the wine will not only be far more drinkable, but the value will have soared. In other words, if you want to drink top quality wine, you either buy it when it's at its peak, when it will be very expensive, or you buy it when it's young and cheap, and store it, or have it cellared for you in the right, temperature-controlled environment.

In fact even pretty modest reds will improve with a year or two in the cellar.

As for sparkling, most Champagnes will definitely improve with bottle age, and become much richer and deeper in flavour. But it's a matter of personal taste. I love older Champagne.
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Re: Wine storage

Doesn't matter too much. Just don't move it!!
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For intermediate storage i'm willing to let you use my stomach (free of charge)
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When it comes to storing/cellaring wine, there are several locations in Zürich which offer this service. If you can read German, then here are two web sites to look at:

stüssikeller.ch
weinlagergemeinschaften
Does anyone here know of wine storage places in French part of Switzerland (Geneva, Lausanne, Montreux)?

Is there big demand for wine storage in Switzerland?
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