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Milk

Any idea what the name and availability of 'gold-top' milk is in Switzerland? I've not seen anything approaching it yet, only unskimmed and semi-skimmed. It's just that it's what we feed to our daughter as she's weaning.
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Re: Milk

Isn't "gold top" for milk from Jersey? Or is it a a general type of full fat milk?

Look out for "Voll milch" for the full fat version.
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Isn't "gold top" for milk from Jersey? Or is it a a general type of full fat milk?

Look out for "Voll milch" for the full fat version.
Hmm, that's where I get a bit fuzzy. I think gold top has a lot more fat (and calcium) than normal full-fat milk, but i could easily be wrong. I'll ask the Mrs...
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Re: Milk

You might be right, I bough on occasion Jersey milk for breakfast treats and I seem to remember they add cream to it. Lovely stuff, that's for sure!

Do your own mix, get some normal milk and add a dash of "Double Creme de la Gruyere", that should keep the little one quiet

Best milk I ever had was up in the Alps in Italy, when one of my relatives milked a cow and gave me a glass of it, can't get it any fresher than that!
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Old 17.04.2007, 16:23
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Re: Milk

Aha, all is clear. Gold top has 2% more fat in it, as you say, due to the addition (or at least the lack of substraction) of cream. Just means the monkey will have to drink 50% more milk...
(Or just add the cream...)
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Re: Milk

I'll demonstrate my ignorance yet again, but... what is a 'milk drink'? Some of the plain milk varieties that are sold here are labelled milk drinks. Is this watered down milk, or homogenised / pasteurised or something else yet again?
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Old 18.04.2007, 09:47
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I'll demonstrate my ignorance yet again, but... what is a 'milk drink'? Some of the plain milk varieties that are sold here are labelled milk drinks. Is this watered down milk, or homogenised / pasteurised or something else yet again?
Milk 'Drink' is semi-skimmed milk. It has some of the fat removed (don't ask me how or where they put it, but Revella seems a likely candidate). It is homogonised and pasteurised.

Skimmed milk is sold in green packaging and in called in German Magermilch.
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Re: Milk

What do expats think of Rivella btw

And if you have not tried it yet, give it a go, it's our national "pop" like Irn Bru for the Scots.

I quite like it, in small quantities. Sainsburry's tried to sell it but that was a step to far for most Brits, only the Dutch seem to like it.

And if you think it's out of subject in a thread dedicated to milk, think again
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And if you have not tried it yet, give it a go, it's our national "pop" like Irn Bru for the Scots.

I quite like it, in small quantities. Sainsburry's tried to sell it but that was a step to far for most Brits, only the Dutch seem to like it.

And if you think it's out of subject in a thread dedicated to milk, think again
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Rivella is vile , can't stand the stuff. But my son loves it in all it's varieties!
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What do expats think of Rivella btw

And if you have not tried it yet, give it a go, it's our national "pop" like Irn Bru for the Scots.

I quite like it, in small quantities. Sainsburry's tried to sell it but that was a step to far for most Brits, only the Dutch seem to like it.

And if you think it's out of subject in a thread dedicated to milk, think again
Insipid stuff ... does not have the miraculous recuperative qualities of Irn Bru .... Classic Glasgow Cocktail : Tomohawk - 2 parts vodka, 3 parts Bru .... I kid you not, ask for it anywhere ....
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I don't mind it. For some reason it reminds me of L&P from back in New Zealand. I'd hesitate to try Rivella mixed with Jim Beam though...
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Insipid stuff ... does not have the miraculous recuperative qualities of Irn Bru .... Classic Glasgow Cocktail : Tomohawk - 2 parts vodka, 3 parts Bru .... I kid you not, ask for it anywhere ....
Voddy & Irn Bru, I spent many a teenage night in the pub drinking that. Beats rivella any day .
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Re: Milk

Lou, I think you've raised a fine young Swiss man there

I hope he likes Cenovis too...

I like Irn Bru actually, taste like the gums I used to buy when I was kid, Malabar.

The Rivella Green is the best of the three.

Nothing beats Migros Ice Tea mind you.
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Re: Milk

Rivella Red is fantastic. I particularly like the way it comes up looking like a lager.

When my kids came over a few weeks ago they got to try it and now it's a regular request that I take them some home every weekend. Unfortunately, as I travel light with just the laptop case as carry on, it's not easy for me to take home many.

Interesting to hear that Sainsbury's tried and failed with it. It must have been difficult with no associated advertising campaign. I understand that its difficult for the company that makes Rivella to break through into the UK market without associating themselves with the likes of Coca Cola which, commendably imo, they choose not to do.

It's not at all my line of business, but I'd love to get a crack at introducing it to the UK. It's similarity in looks to flat lager could help sell it as a drink to drink when your driving....is the milk connection enough to sell it as a "healthy" alternative to lemonade?



On the subject of milk (great topic btw - with a preference for the full fat version it's something I always have struggled with in supermarkets) I wonder if anyone has heard of something I was told which the following post bought to mind....

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The reason we drink pastuerized milk is not so much to make milk safe to drink, as to make it easier to sell "unhealthy" milk. It's not just possible but best for milk to be drunk straight from the cows udder, as it were, and in fact that's when it's at its healthiest, if the environment is kept suitably clean and sterile.

The act of pasteurising however means two things. One is that it means we drink milk which is not produced upto the standards it ought to be, and the second is that it inhibits, and may even prohibit completely, the process by which our bodies can take full advantage of the calcium it contains.

It's said that if you bring up cats on a diet of pasturised milk, by the fourth generation the kittens will be have fragile bones and be sterile. However recuperation is remarkably quick if the diet is swapped over to include unpasterised milk.

Quite a few of my aunts and uncles were in farming and I don't know whether this is purely "urban legend" stuff I've picked up from them in a bid to "sell" me the fact that the milk they used to put on the table was ok.

Has anyone else heard anything like that?
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Re: Milk

Very interesting post Tim.

Rivella's taste is pretty harmless, Sainsburry's tried to play on the "Swiss" image of health whilst keeping it quiet abot the milk whey content. I think it tastes too plain for an English palate, very sweet stuff is more the norm in the UK. It might have been a success a hundred years ago though, if the Fentimann's brand drink you can find (victorian lemonade, curiosity cola and the likes) are a good reminiscence, less sweet, more "adult" taste.

Milk is pasteurised to make it last longuer, as simple as that. Economy of scale, centralisation, longuer shelf life is worth more than taste and authenticity. Unpasteurised milk is a safe product too, only those with serious health problems ought to abstain. I was fed that as a kid regularly, when you could still get it from small "cremerie" shops, loved skimming the fat on top and it did my health no arm (unless the rubbish kids get fed nowadays which is as sterile as a surgeon glove but full of sugar, fat and the likes).

Strangely, for a country with such a reputation for anal hygiene norms as Switzerland, all our majore cheeses, sold here and exported, are made with unpasteurised milk.
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Old 18.04.2007, 13:38
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Re: Milk

I might have tried Rivella, but now you mentioned that it's a fizzy drink with milk in it, then I think I might give it a miss...
Nothing at all to do with memories as a kid of mum pouring me a mug of coke at the same time as she was pouring tea, then putting milk into all of the mugs and her not understanding why I wasn't drinking my tea.

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You got it wrong there Colonel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivella

It's NOT pop with milk in it, come on
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Re: Milk

Ah, like Dr Pepper is not a cola (yes it is, you just added some Vimto to Coke...).
What I'll do is buy a bottle and pass it to Mrs Boris and tell her it's really good and gauge her reaction...
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Economy of scale, centralisation, longuer shelf life is worth more than taste and authenticity.
Ain't that the sad truth. And our meek acceptance of it is why giant out of town supermarkets thrive while the small locally owned stores die out.

But that's a rant for another thread some time
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Re: Milk

Hmm, very interesting that it's a whey based drink, does any have any info on how much whey (protein content) there is per serving...? I'm currently using powdered whey mixed with water or milk to increase my daily protein intake but still, these might prove a convenient option if thats difficult to get hold of in Zug.
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