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what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?
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what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?
i think its still called 'cocaine' like in england.
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Old 29.03.2010, 23:44
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

also where can i get 'tapioca starch' and 'wheat starch'?

after a year, i'm now fed up of the poor dim sum situation and will make my own supply and freeze them (after gorging myself).
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Old 29.03.2010, 23:48
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

"Gips". Coop Bau & Hobby should have it.

Ok seriously: Starch is "Stärke", so you can find Maisstärke (corn starch), Weizenstärke (wheat starch) and so on probably even in a normal supermarket. Rice starch and Tapioca starch is something you will only find in Asian food stores as the one on Birmensdorfer Strasse or close to Kalkbreite. (and I honestly do not know what flour you are looking for...)
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

It's all about the numbers . . .

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  • German flour type numbers (Mehltyp) indicate the amount of ash (measured in milligrams) obtained from 100 g of the dry mass of this flour. Standard wheat flours (defined in DIN 10355) range from type 405 for normal white wheat flour for baking, to strong bread flour types 550, 650, 812, and the darker types 1050 and 1600 for wholegrain breads.
  • French flour type numbers (type de farine) are a factor 10 smaller than those used in Germany, because they indicate the ash content (in milligrams) per 10 g flour. Type 55 is the standard, hard-wheat white flour for baking, including puff pastries ("pâte feuilletée"). Type 45 is often called pastry flour, but is generally from a softer wheat. Types 65, 80, and 110 are strong bread flours of increasing darkness, and type 150 is a wholemeal flour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour

You can find the ash content etc on the side of the packet. You're probably looking for T55/550 flour. If you can't find what you want in a supermarket, some of the health food (reformhaus) shops have a good selection (there's a good one on Rennweg). Also Schwarzenbach has a very good range of flour.
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

I understand 'strong' flour to be bread making flour, so you should be able to find bread flour in any supermarket - it just has a high gluten content than general purpose flour. Watch out thouhg not to buy bread mexes which will also include the yeast. One brand of cornflour (maizestarch) is Maizena, in a yellow packet, it's found everywhere.
I have seen rice flour and tapioca in one of our local Indian stores, so it can be found.
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also where can i get 'tapioca starch' and 'wheat starch'?

after a year, i'm now fed up of the poor dim sum situation and will make my own supply and freeze them (after gorging myself).
I make my owen bread
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It's all about the numbers . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour

You can find the ash content etc on the side of the packet. You're probably looking for T55/550 flour. If you can't find what you want in a supermarket, some of the health food (reformhaus) shops have a good selection (there's a good one on Rennweg). Also Schwarzenbach has a very good range of flour.
which flour (german or french convention) would you recommend for making ravioli? I think i used to buy german 405 or 550 to make dumplings, just can't quite remember now.

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what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?
in CH, i use Denner's all-purpose flour. I also got this "dumpling" flour but i haven't tried it yet, available from Lian HUa

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which flour (german or french convention) would you recommend for making ravioli? I think i used to buy german 405 or 550 to make dumplings, just can't quite remember now.
For ravioli I'd use Italian '00' - 100% durum wheat semolina.
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Old 30.03.2010, 00:21
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For ravioli I'd use Italian '00' - 100% durum wheat semolina.
urm sorry, i meant dumplings would you use the same?
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

flour for ravioli: you need, as GG said, "00" flour, but you can use normal plain flour as well, is a fairly acceptable substitute

strong flour for bread: there is no good substitute for strong flour (or, even better, Canadian strong flour), but it depends on what bread you want to make... if you are looking for soft, "burger style" baps, plain flour actually works better, gives a softer texture and crust.

Dumpling: if you mean savoury, "english style" dumplings you need self-raising flour, suet and water. you can get suet (the layer of fat around the kidneys) from a butcher if you ask him in advance (or use the good old Atora suet, you can buy it online I think..), and you can make your own self-raising flour with 250gr of plain flour, 2 tsp of baking powder and a pinch of salt
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

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flour for ravioli: you need, as GG said, "00" flour, but you can use normal plain flour as well, is a fairly acceptable substitute
This is what I was looking for recently for making pasta, but couldn't find it anywhere. I thought I'd have no trouble finding it but ended up using plain flour and semolina flour instead.

Do you know wher you can find 00?
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This is what I was looking for recently for making pasta, but couldn't find it anywhere. I thought I'd have no trouble finding it but ended up using plain flour and semolina flour instead.

Do you know wher you can find 00?
Both Schwarzenbach and Jelmoli in Zürich have it, but it's spendy.
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Dumpling: if you mean savoury, "english style" dumplings
I'm fairly sure Hsiang means Chinese-style dumplings, popularly known as pot stickers, especially in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiaozi

I'm afraid I have no experience of making those . . . but I know people that have and I'll try and find out from them.
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

After a bit of research, maybe what you need for jiaozi are sue gow wrappers:

http://www.nhknoodle.com/wrapper_products_list.aspx
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

Landi sell different kinds of bread flour
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

Phil, Lien Hwa in Wiedikon BH will have what you need. Its smaller than most Asian supermarkets I have been to but it has never failed me so far and I definitely saw tapioca starch in there. I even found gula melaka (palm sugar) in there, which makes me a happy camper. Home made kueh dardar, here I come!

Strike up a rapport with the cashier and you get 15% discount off every item on the list. Woot!
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

Strong flour, as in ganja?
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

i found a good asia store in schaffhausen which had the tapioca starch. still no luck on the wheat starch yet...
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Re: what is 'strong flour' called in german and where can i buy it?

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which flour (german or french convention) would you recommend for making ravioli?
As Gastronome has hinted, Tipo 00 is the best. However, ever since doing Jack's "Pasta by Hand" class I have used white spelt (Helles Urdinkel) which results in a quite elastic dough. Dinkel is also good for pizza bases I find.

Cheers,
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