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Re: Coffee: flat white?

If you can't find a branded coffee in the U.S. that does it for you then you need to forget those dark (burnt) roasted robusta beans that are most common in the U.S. and get some more lightly roasted arabica beans and then experiment with the grind.
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If you can't find a branded coffee in the U.S. that does it for you then you need to forget those dark (burnt) roasted robusta beans that are most common in the U.S. and get some more lightly roasted arabica beans and then experiment with the grind.
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

Many good nuggets of wisdom here...getting a good cup of coffee is so much harder these days now that the coffee industry has raised our expectations. I should have apprenticed as a barista at some point in my life. That would have been so much more useful than some of the other useless jobs I had in college.
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Many good nuggets of wisdom here...getting a good cup of coffee is so much harder these days now that the coffee industry has raised our expectations. I should have apprenticed as a barista at some point in my life. That would have been so much more useful than some of the other useless jobs I had in college.
I don't know what you do for a living or how much free time you have in your life (obviously), but you might consider taking a part time night job at a cafe for a while.

My brother who works full time in finance for many years worked nights as a sous chef. It was his "hobby". He did it because he loves to cook and did it to learn not as a living/career. So could be picky about where he worked and only worked at restaurants where he admired the chef. Yes, my brother is a bit strange! But he cooks like a champion and never paid a dime in cooking classes.
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I don't know what you do for a living or how much free time you have in your life (obviously), but you might consider taking a part time night job at a cafe for a while.

My brother who works full time in finance for many years worked nights as a sous chef. It was his "hobby". He did it because he loves to cook and did it to learn not as a living/career. So could be picky about where he worked and only worked at restaurants where he admired the chef. Yes, my brother is a bit strange! But he cooks like a champion and never paid a dime in cooking classes.
That's actually very cool, and there are probably quite a few people out there who are so good at their hobbies that they can (or actually do) engage in the work professionally.
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Probably the nearest you'd get to it is Coffee Crema beans.

Although the same beans are used as for espresso, the roast is not so intense and the grind is a fraction less fine, thus allowing more water through.

These are the roasted beans used for a Kaffee Creme in Switzerland. The beans are available.

Here is an example in Switzerland
(though personally, I can't stand Tchibo coffee)

Here's another from Movenpick.

So, if I were you, I'd search for Cafe Crema beans and try those.
Is a Kaffee Creme what you typically would get at a Migros, Coop, McDonalds or a mom and pop convenience store? I didn't see the McDonalds machine, but it seemed like it was the same automated coffee machine everywhere we went, whether it was a random mom and pop store or a chain. I can't remember all the chains, but I bought a lot of coffees at train station convenience stores, since we were on the go most of the time.
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

As I was doing some research on buying fresh roasted beans, I found some info that seemed to confirm and synthesize what everyone here has been saying:
https://portorico.com/store/page12.html

I'm guessing Swiss kaffee is more of a cafe blend, which is roasted lighter than what was traditionally done in the old days for espresso. The lighter roast also produces more crema, so that's consistent with one person's suggestion to look for coffee crema. The Swiss kaffee I drank always definitely produced a nice "head". The head made me think there was a touch of milk in it.

I guess Starbucks and most of America still roasts espresso according to the old definition, which is a darker more bitter roast. In Europe, they're serving this lighter roast, and maybe only US roasters that are in touch with Euro trends have figured this out. That would be consistent with the comments that Europeans roast differently and Starbuck's roasts taste more burnt and bitter.

So maybe I just don't like the really bitter taste of an old style dark roasted espresso and instead prefer the newer cafe blends that produce more crema.

A lot of the fresh coffee roasters I googled don't even delineate type of beans or the level of roasting. They just use a lot of marketing adjectives and give you no straight answers, even though only a coffee aficionado would buy from them and a coffee aficionado presumably knows or wants to learn these distinctions.

So if you want to make European espresso, don't buy "espresso" in the US.
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

A loooong way from my original post I know, but it was fun reading through all these again! And now I am back in Oz I am enjoying both real flat whites in the cafes around Perth (and Melbourne) and my lovely Nespresso at home! I brought the machine back with me.....much cheaper!
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

What I wouldn't do for a flat white and a toasted chicken, basel pesto and danish cheese sandwich from cafe 130 right now......
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What I wouldn't do for a flat white and a toasted chicken, basel pesto and danish cheese sandwich from cafe 130 right now......
Err, how about paying an air fare back to Oz?
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

Okay, you can find plenty of third wave coffee in London. You barely need to try. In fact I was in Glasgow 2 weeks ago and they have a lot of really nice coffee there too.

Finding good coffee in Zürich was a quick google search and I found something quite acceptable on my first day on my first visit.

Head to Schwarzenbach Teecafé and get a really nice drink. Tip top.

You'll even get nice feather foam art.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?...19111141956491
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Re: Coffee: flat white?

Good looking through this post. My comment would be 'oh so close to Italy yet can't get a decent cappuccino/espresso or cafe anywhere is Zug'. Been very disappointed with the coffee. If anyone can share their 'great' coffee place in Zug please do.

I am a tea drinker through and through but love the coffee in Italy as it's good. So one or two a day would suit me fine.

And please, don't mention Starbucks - yuk.
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