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Old 19.05.2010, 17:07
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are you sure it gets absorbed in 30 minutes? sounds like pseudo-science bollocks to me.

i could just as easily claim most of the nutrients are lost cos it passes through your body too quickly whereas eating the fruit takes longer to pass through the system and so is more fully absorbed and more nutrients are extracted.
3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours, you dont need studies to tell you that liquid gets absorbed faster into the body than solids do you? Unless proven otherwise, I stand by what I wrote.

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http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=24

if anyone has a link to a scientific study on nutrient absorption of juice vs raw fruit, i would be interested to see it.
http://www.energiseforlife.com/juicing.php

Mine is more impressive
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:08
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http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=24

if anyone has a link to a scientific study on nutrient absorption of juice vs raw fruit, i would be interested to see it.
That's as valid as any of the 100 links I can produce saying the opposite.

Either way, the point is that it is much easier and convenient to juice the food rather than eat them whole... food which you would never generally eat whole otherwise.
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:08
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Does anybody have experience with "Le Duo Plus XL" from Magimix? What are the pros and cons with this machine? Thanks.
We've had a "Le Duo" for about eight years. Before we had children, we used it every day but mainly for making fruit juice.

Pros:

No gears to wear out as spindle is direct drive from the motor.
Very fast for juicing citrus fruit
Powerful
Sturdy and well built

Cons:

A bit of a pain to clean the veg juice part

We haven't used it recently but now we've found all the local farms that sell directly, we're planning to use it more ( and this thread was a great reminder! )
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:11
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

The advantage to eating the fruit instead of just drinking the juice is that it also helps fill you up, instead of simply giving you a sugar rush and a craving for a kebab or a curry with beers ;)
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:16
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

The whole fruit is much more nutritious than just the juice. This is fairly common knowledge.

One must also consider the energy required to digest the food is part of our normal operation. Plus it's good to keep our systems operating as intended.

Further, most of the sugar of the fruit is in the juice, so you get an unbalanced quantity if just drinking the juice. A typical pint of juice has similar or more calories than beer. Except for Guinness which is lower in calories.

Best to blend the whole fruit and drink it thick.

Nothing wrong with juicing, but you're limitting yourself by only drinking the juice. Sure, if you need a quick boost, juicing is preferable, but for regular nutrition, the whole fruit is much more desirable.

The above discussion is so 80's; well known for a long time. Well maybe except in the UK where nutritious consideration is not normal.
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:16
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Because it means the digestion system doesn't have to deal with extracting the vitamins and minerals from the fibrous matter... it gets absorbed quickly and directly. What would you rather do to get the vitamins you want... eat 3 carrots, two apples, a quarter of a lemon, a stick of celery and an inch of ginger physically in one sitting... or drink them in a juice in 30 seconds? Rhetorical question: answer not necessary.
You got it all wrong there mate If you are looking from pure health point of view then whole fruit over juice any day. Also don't forget that if sitting and eating 3 oranges makes you feel full then it might take juice of 5-6 oranges to give you the same stuffed feeling.

So unless you are looking for a sugar high then eating whole fruits is always better. The fibre is very important for the diet too. Slow release of sugar from fruits is better. Everyone is welcome to prove me wrong though

I was thinking this thread was about some other types of juice
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:16
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3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours, you dont need studies to tell you that liquid gets absorbed faster into the body than solids do you?
yes. i don't think it is obvious.

for example, when you eat an orange, it's fairly mushed up. on the one hand, you could argue that it's harder to extract nutrients from this compared to liquid form.

on the other hand, most extraction of nutrition occurs at the start of the small intestine, so if the liquid form passes through the small intestine more quickly, then there is less time for nutrients to be absorbed and just looking at two basic factors - which one wins out?

the thing is, just looking at this basic factor is kinda like looking only at density and concluding an iron ship must sink. the only way to know is to model completely, or, study empirically.
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:21
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yes. i don't think it is obvious.

for example, when you eat an orange, it's fairly mushed up. on the one hand, you could argue that it's harder to extract nutrients from this compared to liquid form.

on the other hand, most extraction of nutrition occurs at the start of the small intestine, so if the liquid form passes through the small intestine more quickly, then there is less time for nutrients to be absorbed.
I wasnt arguing about whether juicing is much more healthy than eating the whole fruit itself. You reap health benefits from both but I am sure there will be studies out there that one is much more beneficial than the other. I dont care to be honest and its not the point. I simply was saying that it gets absorbed into the body faster than chomping on a whole fruit. Maybe we need to scour the depths of the internet for some studies then..mmm?
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:24
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

1. Absorption occurs in different places of our digestive system.
2. There are many helper molecules that aid digestion and absorption.
3. Flowing liquid is typically absorbed less in quanity than that from sludge sitting around, as diffusion takes time and depends on the physical gradient.

So biological, chemical, and physical considerations, one would expect less nutrients to be absorbed from juice. But our digestive system is a complex system, so even simple considerations as these are not enough to make a judgement.

Please, no BS science.

Juice is for convenience or for troublesome kiddies. Otherwise, there can be no obvious reason to only eat part of the very complex fruit.
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:26
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Well guys with all due respect we will ahve to agree to disagree about the beneifts of juicing 5 different fruit and veg at once in one quick and easy glass, rather than sitting there and eating the whole thing seperately, something which is about 10x less convenient, and which is the reason people juice anyway. The point is not that who fruit is a bit healthier, but that juicing provies easy and quick access to nearly all the benefits with minimal fuss. This is why people juice.

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Old 19.05.2010, 17:29
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So biological, chemical, and physical considerations, one would expect less nutrients to be absorbed from juice. But our digestive system is a complex system, so even simple considerations as these are not enough to make a judgement.

Please, no BS science.
i love these pointless EF arguments.

anyway - i propose a compromise, don't juice - just blend the whole fruit into a semi-sludge and drink that: the convenience of a juice with the nutrition of whole fruit

EDIT: besides, you wanted a GREAT BIG juicing thread. the original boring subject managed only 6 posts. grynch's derail effort managed 2. the rest is all pointless arguments - that's there the money is
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:32
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Yeah, but it's not minimal fuss. Seems to be less fuss to just eat the fruit normally than whip out a contraption that I have to clean after and also have more rubbush to deal with.

Again, nothing wrong with juicing, but it's not a healthy choice over eating a fruit wholly. For convenience or preference, yes.

A compromise: why not just blend it and get it all.
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Old 19.05.2010, 17:36
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A compromise: why not just blend it and get it all.
You'll need to clean the blender too.
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i love these pointless EF arguments
Yes, definitely your most endearing quality.

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Yeah, but it's not minimal fuss. Seems to be less fuss to just eat the fruit normally than whip out a contraption that I have to clean after and also have more rubbush to deal with.

Again, nothing wrong with juicing, but it's not a healthy choice over eating a fruit wholly. For convenience or preference, yes.

A compromise: why not just blend it and get it all.
So to recap: it's easier to physically eat 3 carrots, 3 apples, a stick of celery and an inch of ginger than it is to bang it in a juicer, gulp it down, and spend two minutes clearing it afterwards? I'm sure many would disagree.
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Yeah, but it's not minimal fuss. Seems to be less fuss to just eat the fruit normally than whip out a contraption that I have to clean after and also have more rubbush to deal with.

Again, nothing wrong with juicing, but it's not a healthy choice over eating a fruit wholly. For convenience or preference, yes.

A compromise: why not just blend it and get it all.
Have you actually tried to blend a carrot?
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Yes, definitely your most endearing quality.



So to recap: it's easier to physically eat 3 carrots, 3 apples, a stick of celery and an inch of ginger than it is to bang it in a juicer, gulp it down, and spend two minutes clearing it afterwards? I'm sure many would disagree.
actually, maybe you only need to eat 1 carrot, 1 apple and 1/3 stick of celery compared to juice due to the additional nutrition of eating whole food instead of juice component.

from that perspective it may well be easier and with the advantages of:

no cleaning required
no electricity use (bad for carbon footprint, dontchaknow)
and you can also eat it while walking to the train or on the train so saving time
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So to recap: it's easier to physically eat 3 carrots, 3 apples, a stick of celery and an inch of ginger than it is to bang it in a juicer, gulp it down, and spend two minutes clearing it afterwards? I'm sure many would disagree.
You confuse easier with faster.
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Have you actually tried to blend a carrot?
actually, i have. it's not so juicy. helps the digestion, though

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Have you actually tried to blend a carrot?
Yes, just the other day: it's much faster than juicing it.
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You confuse easier with faster.
No, I don't.
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