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Have a think about it and do some research, I think that will help you to draw your own conclusions.



Personally, I can't think of any logical reason to buy seeded grapes when the unseeded ones are so delicious without the hassle.
different kinds- there are some kinds that are just so good i don't care if there are seeds. chasselas, muscat, etc. we are surrounded by a lot of different delicious grapes here, almost all have seeds- i don't really mind

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greater consumption of fruit juice was associated with increased type 2 diabetes risk. Substitution of whole fruits for fruit juice was associated with a lower risk
again, juicing shouldn't be a substitute for eating veggies and fruit- as i stated above, but a substitute for other snack foods or a fast food alternative to a meal on the go.
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If you juice fruit AND eat more fruit, does that not amount to MORE sugar rushes- and more risk of insulin resistance leading to type 2 diabetes? (ok with most veg of course- as fibre is essential for a healthy colon).
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If you juice fruit AND eat more fruit, does that not amount to MORE sugar rushes- and more risk of insulin resistance leading to type 2 diabetes? (ok with most veg of course- as fibre is essential for a healthy colon).
Yes Odile you are indeed correct... fruit + more fruit = more sugar.
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Old 20.10.2013, 15:19
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If you juice fruit AND eat more fruit, does that not amount to MORE sugar rushes- and more risk of insulin resistance leading to type 2 diabetes? (ok with most veg of course- as fibre is essential for a healthy colon).
i have no idea about diabetes- not a concern for me. but i would much rather have a glass of fresh juice than biscuits and a soda, canned juice or something similar.

i would think that the amount of sugar you'd be getting from fresh fruit and fresh juice (again, it doesn't have to be only fruit juice or at all) would be quite negligible compared to the food choices most people make on a regular basis.
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Of course- but is is not about either one or the other, is it?
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Of course- but is is not about either one or the other, is it?
No it's not, but I'm not altogether sure what point you are actually trying to get across.
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That there are only 2 choices

a/ juice and be healthy ...or b/ eat biscuits cakes, crap and sugary sodas?
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Old 20.10.2013, 15:28
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Of course- but is is not about either one or the other, is it?
no but neither is it about or just juice or just fruit. i've never met anyone that only has their veggies and fruit in juice form.

i guess for those concerned with diabetes they'd have to do the work to see what is best for them- i'm sure that having a veggie/fruit juice would be a good addition to anyones diet. personally, i just like the benefits that i feel and see from juicing and i like the juice. easy.
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i would think that the amount of sugar you'd be getting from fresh fruit and fresh juice (again, it doesn't have to be only fruit juice or at all) would be quite negligible compared to the food choices most people make on a regular basis.
Most fruit juices have a sugar (fructose) content which is about equal to Coca Cola or other sugared sodas.

Juicing is a very efficient process for extracting sugar from fruit and presenting it to your body in a form with a high glycemic index (i.e. a diabetes risk). It's much healthier to eat the whole fruit.
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That there are only 2 choices

a/ juice and be healthy ...or b/ eat biscuits cakes, crap and sugary sodas?
i didn't say there are only two choices

i said it's a better choice to have juice over biscuits. of course we all know that there are plenty of things to eat in between...

there is almost never only two choices in anything- just like it's not all juice or all fruit. you can find a balance between the two.

there are lot's of people drinking orange juice, apple juice etc from the stores. substituting that with fresh juices made at home is one example and certainly would cut back on sugar. does that mean people can't just drink water? or that they won't drink water if they drink juice. absolutely not.
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Most fruit juices have a sugar (fructose) content which is about equal to Coca Cola or other sugared sodas.

Juicing is a very efficient process for extracting sugar from fruit and presenting it to your body in a form with a high glycemic index (i.e. a diabetes risk). It's much healthier to eat the whole fruit.
are you reading the same thread? did everyone ever say to stop eating fruit and only drink fruit juice? juicing is not meant (at least for me) to be a replacement for fruit and veggies. not sure why you think it is.

again, i have no idea nor care about diabetes- nor do i juice fruit. i usually have green juices with some fruit once in a while though certainly not everyday.

on top of it i would never recommend people to drink only fruit juice just like i would never recommend people to only eat fruit and not veggies
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Just trying to understand the issues Amarya Of course diabetics will know that a low GI diet is essential- but there are currently millions of people at risk of becoming insulin resistant and later type 2 diabetics- who may not be aware that regular big sugar rushes due to fruit juicing may be risky for them too.
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Just trying to understand the issues Amarya Of course diabetics will know that a low GI diet is essential- but there are currently millions of people at risk of becoming insulin resistant and later type 2 diabetics- who may not be aware that regular big sugar rushes due to fruit juicing may be risky for them too.
personally i would be much more concerned about the canned juice you get in the market or the other things in their diet. and besides this topic of diabetes there are far more benefits that come from juicing. again, why juicing only entails fruit juicing for posters here is a bit confusing- there are plenty of other things you can juice.
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there are plenty of other things you can juice.
Mmmmm....

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again, i have no idea nor care about diabetes
Why is that then? If you really don't care about developing type II diabetes then why are you avoiding your biscuits and sweets? lol

Btw I love eating grapes with seeds. Grape seeds have health benefit so that is a nice plus.
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Why is that then? If you really don't care about developing type II diabetes then why are you avoiding your biscuits and sweets? lol

Btw I love eating grapes with seeds. Grape seeds have health benefit so that is a nice plus.
I also eat the seeds, but that's because I'm too lazy to spend time spitting them all out. I quite like the idea that they may get lodged somewhere inside my intestines or colon and start a small internal winery.
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I also eat the seeds, but that's because I'm too lazy to spend time spitting them all out. I quite like the idea that they may get lodged somewhere inside my intestines or colon and start a small internal winery.
They also act like sand paper and clean your shit pipe....colon as you respectable people call it
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As does any kind of fibre- which is totally lacking in juicing.
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That there are only 2 choices

a/ juice and be healthy ...or b/ eat biscuits cakes, crap and sugary sodas?
What on earth are you talking about, Odile. Make some sense.

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are you reading the same thread? did everyone ever say to stop eating fruit and only drink fruit juice? juicing is not meant (at least for me) to be a replacement for fruit and veggies. not sure why you think it is.
Sadly, people just make snap judgements.
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are you reading the same thread? did everyone ever say to stop eating fruit and only drink fruit juice? juicing is not meant (at least for me) to be a replacement for fruit and veggies. not sure why you think it is.
Not only am I reading the same thread, I was specifically responding to:

i would think that the amount of sugar you'd be getting from fresh fruit and fresh juice (again, it doesn't have to be only fruit juice or at all) would be quite negligible compared to the food choices most people make on a regular basis.

This statement is false. Juices (even some vegetable ones) are loaded with sugar and are certainly not negligible compared to other foods.

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again, i have no idea nor care about diabetes- nor do i juice fruit. i usually have green juices with some fruit once in a while though certainly not everyday.
Is it just diabetes or do you not care about other illnesses and causes of death as well?
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