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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Two simple examples...

1- Eating 1 complete apple is better than drinking 1 juiced apple

2- Eating 2 complete apples is better than drinking 1 juiced apple + eating one full apple.

Do you get what I am saying?

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Sadly, people just make snap judgements based largely on ignorance.
Ok I won't come between you and your juicer. It's like juicing cult in here Each to their own I guess.
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Not only am I reading the same thread, I was specifically responding to:

i would think that the amount of sugar you'd be getting from fresh fruit and fresh juice (again, it doesn't have to be only fruit juice or at all) would be quite negligible compared to the food choices most people make on a regular basis.

This statement is false. Juices (even some vegetable ones) are loaded with sugar and are certainly not negligible compared to other foods.
lol... do you know the difference between fructose`found in fruit, and processed sugar? Or do you actually think they are the same thing. http://www.fruitsandveggiesmorematte...vs-table-sugar

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Two simple examples...

1- Eating 1 complete apple is better than drinking 1 juiced apple

2- Eating 2 complete apples is better than drinking 1 juiced apple + eating one full apple.

Do you get what I am saying?
I get what you're saying, but you are just massively oversimplifying with that example.

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Ok I won't come between you and your juicer. It's like juicing cult in here Each to their own I guess.
Discussion is all good... but when people make blanket statements based on incorrect assumptions then it gets a little annoying.
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:18
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

It is refined sugar that is the culprit. The body can deal with natural sugars. You don't find the same illnesses in the animal kingdom in animals that live on fruit alone which must count for something...
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

I think the most important thing to remember is that we all die in the end Let us all race and see who gets there first
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:27
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Do you know the difference between fructose`found in fruit, and processed sugar? http://www.fruitsandveggiesmorematte...vs-table-sugar
I certainly do know the difference, it's none at all. Fructose is fructose where ever it comes from. (Table sugar, of course, is a disaccharide which contains both glucose and fructose).

If you took the time to read the link you posted, you'd see that it talks about fructose in fruit (not fruit juice note) being better than raw fructose because of the other components of fruit which it is consumed with. The primary component of fruit which prevents the sugar spike that can lead to insulin resistance and type II diabetes is fibre. Juicing strips out this fibre which juicers then throw away. You'd be far better off if you threw away the juice instead...
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:29
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

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Two simple examples...

1- Eating 1 complete apple is better than drinking 1 juiced apple

2- Eating 2 complete apples is better than drinking 1 juiced apple + eating one full apple.

Do you get what I am saying?
Sure, but what these juicer-lovers seem to be saying is ...

1 - Drinking one juiced apple is better than eating a tub of lard and a family sized cake and a box of donuts, which is what I was eating prior to spending 300 CHF on a juicer.

2 - Drinking one glass of juiced veggies is better than eating a bargain bucket of kfc with a 2 litre bottle of coke, which is what I would have eaten until I spent 300 CHF on a juicer.

It's just a gadget. Before long it'll be left, bored and lonely and full of slowly rotting celery fibres whilst the owner sits nearby with a bucket of KFC and a huge cake.
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:38
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It is refined sugar that is the culprit. The body can deal with natural sugars. You don't find the same illnesses in the animal kingdom in animals that live on fruit alone which must count for something...
It's a good point. It's worth considering the fact that juicing is a process which refines sugar. (Animals, of course, don't juice...)
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You'd be far better off if you threw away the juice instead...
We shall have to agree to disagree on that point.

What people (ie: you) also seem to be ignoring with the "omg too much sugar" argument is that when juicing, fruit often only accounts for a limited proportion of what you consume. Most of it comes from vegetables, which contain less.
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:41
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Have the anti-juicers completely pwnd this thread yet, or do we need to go on?

Isn't it time for another good old-fashioned smoking thread?
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Old 20.10.2013, 16:42
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It is refined sugar that is the culprit. The body can deal with natural sugars. You don't find the same illnesses in the animal kingdom in animals that live on fruit alone which must count for something...
<David Attenborough in hushed tones> Look! See how that giraffe has finally managed to press the "on" button on that juicer. It's amazing! Evolution at work. Oh no! There's nowhere to plug it in! It will surely starve.
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I certainly do know the difference, it's none at all.
Wow, what a statement. Of course there is a difference, they are different types of sugars. Yes, they shouldn't be consumed in too much quantity, but the effects of fructose are less harmful than refined sugar. http://www.differencebetween.net/sci...ose-and-sugar/

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A significant advantage of fructose over other sugars is that it does not cause any significant rise in blood pressure, unlike other sugars which, upon intake, can easily trigger a blood pressure increase. However, like other sugars, fructose should not be consumed too much. Another difference of fructose from other sugars is that it is digested in the liver. Other sugars such as glucose are processed in one’s bloodstream to facilitate the release of insulin. When there’s too much fructose, the liver rejects some of it and releases the excess sugar into the bloodstream. The excess fructose is converted into triglycerides. An abundance of triglycerides may cause heart disease. That’s why one’s fructose intake should be regulated.

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1. Fructose is a type of simple sugar. It is a monosaccharide, along with other sugars such as glucose and galactose.

2. Glucose and fructose combine to form sucrose, a disaccharide.

3. Fructose was first identified by Augustin Dubrunfault way back in 1847. Fructose is a white lump which can dissolve easily in water due to its high water solubility.

4. Fructose is the most popular among all the sugars because it is affordable, and it is also the sweetest-tasting sugar.

5. Fructose is produced naturally by fruits and vegetables. However, food companies prefer to utilize artificially-made fructose.

6. There are two popular forms of artificially-made fructose, namely high-fructose corn syrup and crystalline fructose.

7. A significant advantage of fructose over other sugars is that it does not cause any significant rise in blood pressure. However, too much fructose intake can cause the formation of triglycerides, which are bad for one’s health.
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Have the anti-juicers completely pwnd this thread yet, or do we need to go on?

Isn't it time for another good old-fashioned smoking thread?
Pwnd? To do that you would need to a) be right, and b) be making a convincing ad balanced argument. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be working out for you.
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

True, but fructose still produces fast sugar peaks and can still lead to insulin resistance and possibly to diabetes.

I am ignorant of the subject, and neither pro or anti- just trying to get my head around the subject. I have spent some time today reading about it, (as I have a friend staying over who is a 'juicer', so this thread attracted my attention)- and it does seem there is evidence that excessive fructose can indeed lead to the above- and therefore it is good that people are aware of this, surely, and take it into account if becoming interested in juicing- especially if overweight and with a enhanced genetic risk to diabetes.

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True, but can still lead to insulin resistance and possibly lead to diabetes.
That is a known fact, has been said already about ten times, and I don't see anyone in the thread denying it. Too much sugar can of course lead to insulin resistance and diabetes, and people should of course be aware of this.

However, it is a worst-case scenario and not intrinsically a negative of juicing if you control what you juice.
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

There's an awful lot of nonsense being written about sugar in this thread. It's about time someone made a serious contribution to the discussion.
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Wow, what a statement. Of course there is a difference, they are different types of sugars. Yes, they shouldn't be consumed in too much quantity, but the effects of fructose are less harmful than refined sugar. http://www.differencebetween.net/sci...ose-and-sugar/
Oh Richdog, you're just a kid aren't you? It's like taking candy from a baby... Anyway, have you ever heard of 'high-fructose corn syrup'? The poster child for refined sugar products (added to pretty much everything, especially in the US) which contains exactly the same kind of fructose found in fruit. (Grapes, of course, contain both glucose and fructose in almost equal amounts - just like table sugar!)

If you have some time, watch these two (it's like TV and a lot easier than reading all those long words! )


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Oh Richdog, you're just a kid aren't you? It's like taking candy from a baby... Anyway, have you ever heard of 'high-fructose corn syrup'? The poster child for refined sugar products (added to pretty much everything, especially in the US) which contains exactly the same kind of fructose found in fruit. (Grapes, of course, contain both glucose and fructose in almost equal amounts - just like table sugar!)

If you have some time, watch these two (it's like TV and a lot easier than reading all those long words! )
If you need to use cringeworthy words like "pwnd", then I think it's clear who the kid is. I think we'll just agree to dsagree on our viewpoints.
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

I've just put this entire thread in a juicer and in my glass it says "Eat more healthily". There was shit loads of pulp to chuck out.
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This sort of research? http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/20...and-reduced-ri

greater consumption of fruit juice was associated with increased type 2 diabetes risk. Substitution of whole fruits for fruit juice was associated with a lower risk
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If you juice fruit AND eat more fruit, does that not amount to MORE sugar rushes- and more risk of insulin resistance leading to type 2 diabetes? (ok with most veg of course- as fibre is essential for a healthy colon).
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Most fruit juices have a sugar (fructose) content which is about equal to Coca Cola or other sugared sodas.

Juicing is a very efficient process for extracting sugar from fruit and presenting it to your body in a form with a high glycemic index (i.e. a diabetes risk). It's much healthier to eat the whole fruit.
I love juice. I would love to drink it but as it has been said before, the amount of fructose in it is increasing risks of diabetes. The diet I am on right now forbid any type of juice while eating fruits are permitted (3 max/day).
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Old 20.10.2013, 19:09
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Today's juicing experiment:
- 2 celery sticks with leaves
- half tomato
- half red bell pepper
- half cucumber

Celery taste was too strong. I added a few black grapes and lemon: much better to drink now. The celery sticks is a big mess with its fibers. I'll put at the end next time and less quantity.
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Re: The Great Big Juicing Thread...

Aw Nil, you just had to go and pour some lighter fluid on the fire, didn't you?

Anyways, thanks for the thread. I find it amusing. Richdog I am more concerned with the plastic bag you use to line the pulp bucket with - is it going straight in the garbage? If so, I hope you are using the plastic bags from the store that you buy all the fruits and veggies in that end up in the garbage anyways....

Also, any other smoothie recipes of interest, I'm game - I tried a few green ones a few months ago and they didn't do it for me. I suppose I could try some of the ones listed here and see how they work. I don't have space for another gadget in my kitchen, and if I did spend 300+ on something, I would get a kick-a$$ blender. At least then I can make some mean margaritas as well.

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