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Espresso machine recommendations

Anyone have an espresso machine to recommend? I would like a machine that froths as well as makes great espresso. I also would prefer to spend $500 or less. Thanks!
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Old 02.06.2010, 19:43
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Anyone have an espresso machine to recommend? I would like a machine that froths as well as makes great espresso. I also would prefer to spend $500 or less. Thanks!
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Old 02.06.2010, 19:58
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

It's got to be nespresso! You can get one for around 300CHF
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Old 02.06.2010, 20:05
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um, nespresso is terrible! If Uncle Max ever arrives he might tell you that the important stuff is to grind the beans yourself, to get a good grinder (a burr one), to make sure you get the coffee from the grinder to the machine immediately. Nespresso isn't that much better than one of the more expensive instant varieties to my taste.
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Old 02.06.2010, 20:25
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

These Krups machines are amazing, because the are all in one automatic

http://www.krups.ch/All+Products/Espresso+Machines/Fully+automatic+espresso+machines/Fully+automatic+espresso+machines.htm?currChan={75 0B0E33-4D70-49AA-81DA-6660941935DA}

They have doble nozzle so you can make two espressi at the same time and you can also make capuccino. The beast feature is the integrated grinder, so you can have fresh coffee from your selection of coffee beans.

However those machines are not the cheaper in the market, but I think you can find the EA 8010 near your pricetag.

The capsule operated machines are cheaper, and this Citiz models branded Nespresso (actually made from DeLonghi) is compact with 20's Art Deco style like design.

http://www.nespresso.com/#/ch/en/cof...machines-citiz
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

If you don't mind buying a second-hand reconditioned machine, you can get a great deal on a refurbished Jura machine on eBay Germany. Here's an example of the middle-of-the-range machine with a 12 month warranty for EUR329:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Jura-Impressa-Ult...item5190bdd347

There are quite a few sellers on there who refurbish machines, and they generally range between EUR175-400 depending on the model.

The Jura machines are all super-automatics of one sort or another (meaning that you put beans in the container, then press a button and the beans are ground, tamped, brewed, and disposed of. All you need to do is empty the machine every week or two). All make good espresso, and all have a steam nozzle for frothing milk.

More money buys newer models and more features. The two worth caring about are dual heating elements, which maintain water at appropriate temperatures for coffee and steam at the same time (otherwise you need to wait between brewing coffee and frothing milk -- the water needs to heat up to froth milk, and the extra-hot water needs to be bled off after frothing before making more coffee in a single-element machine) and a frothing attachmentif you don't want to steam your own milk. Other features on higher-end machines include digital displays, cup warmers, timers, etc.

Most of the big superautomatics are rebranded Jura machines (eg, those marketed under the Krups / AEG brands), with Saeco machines being the notable exception.

Many people don't like used goods, but I'd much rather have a refurbished CHF1500- coffee maker for EUR300 than a new EUR300 coffee maker. The results are far better, the machine will last longer (I'm on my second -- the first one lasted more than 10 years, and this one is still working as new after 6 years), and most importantly, you aren't locked into a proprietary capsule system.

I discovered superautomatic machines when I first arrived in Switzerland (they were unheard of outside CH/D at that time) and I've never looked back. Buy one. You won't regret it.
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

It's been years since I owned one, so I'm not qualified to make a current recommendation on models/brands. However I do know that you need more than just "steam pressure" to make true espresso. You need a minimum of 9 BAR/135 PSI (some people say 14 BAR) to do it right. The cost of the pump and storage vessel (if it's not hand-pumped) to achieve that knocks most of the department store machines out of the running.

I agree with VI who recommends buying a refurbished CHF 1500 machine for CHF 300, rather than a new department store model for CHF 300...
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

Thanks, I guess I'll start looking secondhand. Any additional thoughts? Uncle Max?
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

I have and I like this one:

https://www.solis.ch/de/solis-barista-pro
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

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I have and I like this one:

https://www.solis.ch/de/solis-barista-pro
I've got that one too. I really, really like it.

It's an Australian design re-badged as Swiss Solis.

I reckon Australia has the best espresso outside of Italy so they know what they are doing.
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

For less than 500CHF
Lelit Anna
New Gaggia Classic
A bit more you can buy a Sage Dual boiler!
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

I am quite enjoying my cafelat robot barista (fully manual, need separate kettle). https://www.cafelatstore.com/product...tpowdercoating
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

Our old Jura just celebrated its 21st birthday. At the 15 mark, we sent it back to the Jura-spital for a checkup, cleaning, and replacement of various tubes, etc. The espresso aficionado of the family is pleased with its performance. It takes a bit of cleaning (especially if you are cursed with hard water--you need special tablets and a fiddly cleaning cycle), but I like the Zen-like experience of cleaning a lovely machine. Just like fixing a classic car.
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I am quite enjoying my cafelat robot barista (fully manual, need separate kettle). https://www.cafelatstore.com/product...tpowdercoating
I had to go watch the video to find out how it works (guess it was to simple to just see it )
I like this, I will look into it definitely. So far I found it on digitec and Kaffeezentrale.ch, Glaxus with a quick search. Thanks for the input

edit: Do I need to do regular weight lifting in order to get that coffee done?
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

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I had to go watch the video to find out how it works (guess it was to simple to just see it )
I like this, I will look into it definitely. So far I found it on digitec and Kaffeezentrale.ch, Glaxus with a quick search. Thanks for the input

edit: Do I need to do regular weight lifting in order to get that coffee done?
To be transparent, getting to the recommended 9-10 bars require significant pushing. Getting the model with the pressure gauge is definitely useful as I would never believe I needed to push so hard without a gauge.

So you don't have to be a body builder, but it's surprising more of a push than some could expect. I think it 's more about position, angles and technique but maybe it's worthwhile to see if some shops would let you try it before buying...
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

Nespresso are the best! They provide a cup of coffee or espresso without a hassle. Just put in nespresso or nespresso compatible capsule and you have delicious cup of coffee!
You can use either Nespresso or third party capsules. I prefer Nespresso for their quality and compatibility with the machine. Moreover, you get amazing varieties of coffees. Of course, it all comes at a price - but justifiable. each capsule costs around 50 cents.
Together with this espresso machine, you may want to buy aerrocino which froths milk amazingly well with simple technology, and heats up simultaneously to the right temperature. Thus, you can easily make amazing lattes or cappuccinos.
Jura and other brands are good too,but are too costly. If you are a bit of retro type, I would suggest La Pavoni, Electra, Illy, etc.
But if you want a good cup of coffee without too much of hassle, blindly go for a Nespresso. Essenza mini is 129 CHF, and essenza mini with aeroccino is 189 CHF!
Enjoy your coffee
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

  • from a cost perspective nespresso machines require less upfront investment but cost more to operate: expensive capsules.
  • Tastewise, nespresso is above average. I.e. you would need a good coffee machine, good beans to beat. See this article for reference http://www.jimseven.com/2015/05/21/a...presso-part-i/
  • I personally use a Saeco machine (my second one) and I am verry happy with. But my decision is mainly driven by environmental concern related to capsules.
  • The milk frother of Nespresso is really good. But you can get that separately even if you own a normal automatic machine.
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http://www.espressokamira.com/prodotto.php?id=15

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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

The best machine I ever had was from a company called La Pavoni. I believe (But don't quote me) that they invented the modern espresso machine. Problem is, if you want to froth milk, these machines are out of your price range. If it was me, and I am now considering chucking the Nespresso machine, I would get one of their basic espresso machines (Which look the bollocks, by the way) and a separate milk frothing machine, which you can pick up anywhere:
https://www.lapavoni.ch/aktionen
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

well, for the price point of Nespresso capsules - you can use third party capsules but at the cost of degraded taste and quality. The nespresso capsules are expensive because the coffee used is specifically selected, roasted, and filled in aluminium sealed capsules whereas most 3rd party capsules use plastic and cheap coffee.
By the way, nespresso provides free home used capsule collection for all those environmentally concerned people.
I still bet, for the price to usability to quality, nespresso is the best. For La Pavoni and similar machines, you need to know to exactly how to pull a good espresso shot, and also how to properly froth the milk at right temperature and texture - aeroccino does it automatically and simply! Moreover, the quality of the foam is amazing compared to the one showed in picture which has huge bubbles and bursted foam - never recommended by a barista!
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