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Old 07.09.2010, 20:37
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Cheese musings

Whilst enjoying a variety of Grumpys cheeses tonight i had the same thought I often have and this time I thought i'd put it to you guys - why isn't British cheese famous/well known world wide, why aren't the British regarded as a great cheese making nation?

I like Swiss cheese but the majority of it is very similar, slightly rubbery at times, same colour, texture and usually taste. So I ask, why does this nice but a bit bland cheese have notoriety around the globe and how the hell did the Swiss become world renowned cheese makers/producers?

When you visit Grumpys stall compared to the other stalls around him selling swiss cheeses you first of all notice the array of colours of the cheese, then you taste and they all have different textures and tastes, they are so diverse in comparison to many other nations' cheeses.

I suppose what i am wondering is how the hell did Swiss cheese become famous and British cheese leaves more non British people saying 'what? British cheese? good?'

For me it's the best but then maybe I am biased
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Old 07.09.2010, 20:40
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Because not enough people have spoken to GG, and although he's a walking encyclopaedia on British Cheese and a true enthusiast, he's only one guy and he lives in the mountains in deepest darkest CH.

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why isn't British cheese famous/well known world wide, why aren't the British regarded as a great cheese making nation?
Jealousy, pure and simple.

That, and the fact that our greatest export is ourselves, which makes our cheese, delicious as it is, pale into insignificance as a candle pales against the sun.

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Old 07.09.2010, 20:53
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Re: Cheese musings

The Swiss and especially the French make a big point of marketing their cheese abroad. I think this is even a government driven thing. The british don't and unfortunately as a result the cheese simply not so well known, and as a result not particularly accepted.

I'm sure grumpy can fill us in on the details, but given some of the responses in my workplace (Swiss) people are surprised that the UK actually has a cheese industry at all.
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Re: Cheese musings

Before coming to any conclusions about Swiss cheese: are you buying yours at the Swiss-cheese equivalent of Grumpy's stall, or at the Swiss equivalent of Tesco? Like with British cheese, there is a world of difference.

Having said that I will confess that one Alpkäse tastes just about like another to me, even good Alpkäse from small dairies.
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Old 07.09.2010, 20:47
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Good question, as there is NO way in Hades that it is because of the 'penchant' the Swiss have for marketing...

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Before coming to any conclusions about Swiss cheese: are you buying yours at the Swiss-cheese equivalent of Grumpy's stall, or at the Swiss equivalent of Tesco? Like with British cheese, there is a world of difference.

Having said that I will confess that one Alpkäse tastes just about like another to me, even good Alpkäse from small dairies.
We went to our favourite little kaserie shop in Engelberg on Sunday, the monastery there makes it's own cheese and has a little shop which also has a viewing cheese making area. We used to often go out of way to go and get their cheeses as it is much nicer than supermarket pre packed (and still is) so saturday we bought an array of Grumpys cheeses and on Sunday we bought an array of good quality swiss cheeses from this little shop. Whilst the swiss cheese is nice, it's not a patch on Grumpys cheese
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Re: Cheese musings

I had some French & Swiss friends over for supper recently. I thought before dessert we would have an "English cheese board" and had bought all the cheese over from the UK. They did looked slightly bemused but boy did they enjoy it!!!
I explained that stilton goes well on a digestive biscuit, we had a mean cheddar and an assortment of others and instead of having bread I bought the crackers over as well.
I am not joking when I say that they are now totally converted and were surprised that english cheeses had such variety.
So GG you should be getting some new customers........
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Old 07.09.2010, 20:51
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Whilst enjoying a variety of Grumpys cheeses tonight i had the same thought I often have and this time I thought i'd put it to you guys - why isn't British cheese famous/well known world wide, why aren't the British regarded as a great cheese making nation?
The human survival instinct could be the explanation.....


British are already famous for the liquid part: tea, beer, whisky..that's enough. So far pure british gastronomy suffers from a persistent stereotype (which has maybe some truth at the roots) and did not manage to poison....erhh convince the rest of the world.
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Old 09.09.2010, 12:38
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British are already famous for the liquid part: tea, beer, whisky..that's enough. So far pure british gastronomy suffers from a persistent stereotype (which has maybe some truth at the roots) and did not manage to poison....erhh convince the rest of the world.
Most of the world is aware that Ceylon tea is not from Britain. I'd say that most Germans would reply to "name a British beer" either "Guinness" or "?". For me, Britain never was about anything food related, but funny enough are the various German cuisines equally shunned by Brits... (while in fact not too different from many British classics). I guess most of the ignorance is quite literally ignorance: People do not know - While millions of British and Germans travel to Spain, Greece or Italy, few visit other places than London or Munich... and so we think that all there is in Britain is the curries and chinese food I got in London (they do not seem to have too much to be proud of themselves...) and you guys think that Germans drink bad lager from huge tankards and eat pork knuckles.

As annoying as I personally find him do I believe that Jamie Oliver actually managed to change the view on British food habits abroad.
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Old 09.09.2010, 12:44
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Re: Cheese musings

I prefer Dutch cheese myself...

I tried a few swiss cheeses from the supermarket but this can get pretty expensive. More often than not I've thrown away 10chf of cheese after only 1 nibble. So now I stick to what I know. Same with english cheeses, never tried one and cannot afford to...
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Old 09.09.2010, 12:45
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Re: Cheese musings

Please tell me there is more to dutch cheese then rubbery processed edam?
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Re: Cheese musings

Actually, there is. Just as there is more to British cheese than the processed stuff at Tesco's.

Funny, how GG managed to convert quite a few of the omgwtfbbq! BLUE cheese people...

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More often than not I've thrown away 10chf of cheese after only 1 nibble.
Why don't you ask to nibble some before you buy the cheese?

And why buy so much cheese without trying it first?
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Re: Cheese musings

In this same vein: I was at the hairdresser's yesterday afternoon and she asked me how the holidays were, etc. etc.
I told her we'd gone to Scotland for 2 weeks, and she sort of looked at me as if I'd said we'd spent our hols on Mars

The conversation then turned to food, as in "what do they eat in Scotland?" I started listing: beautiful fresh fish, seafood, oysters, lamb, beef, cheese (we actually visited the cheesery on Mull and schlepped about 3 kgs of their cheddar home). You could have knocked her over with a feather.
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In this same vein: I was at the hairdresser's yesterday afternoon and she asked me how the holidays were, etc. etc.
I told her we'd gone to Scotland for 2 weeks, and she sort of looked at me as if I'd said we'd spent our hols on Mars

The conversation then turned to food, as in "what do they eat in Scotland?" I started listing: beautiful fresh fish, seafood, oysters, lamb, beef, cheese (we actually visited the cheesery on Mull and schlepped about 3 kgs of their cheddar home). You could have knocked her over with a feather.
Funny you failed to mention the fried mars bars and fried pizza.
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I can say I am a blue convert as well. Although not intitially through Grumpy, he now is my exclusive dealer when I need a shot. Amazing variety and some kilt lifting killers.
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Most of the world is aware that Ceylon tea is not from Britain. I'd say that most Germans would reply to "name a British beer" either "Guinness" or "?". For me, Britain never was about anything food related, but funny enough are the various German cuisines equally shunned by Brits... (while in fact not too different from many British classics). I guess most of the ignorance is quite literally ignorance: People do not know - While millions of British and Germans travel to Spain, Greece or Italy, few visit other places than London or Munich... and so we think that all there is in Britain is the curries and chinese food I got in London (they do not seem to have too much to be proud of themselves...) and you guys think that Germans drink bad lager from huge tankards and eat pork knuckles.

As annoying as I personally find him do I believe that Jamie Oliver actually managed to change the view on British food habits abroad.
I do find myself explaining British beer to Germans and German beer to Brits. Shocking really.

As for German cuisine, don't kid yourself, it's no better than the British fare.
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As annoying as I personally find him do I believe that Jamie Oliver actually managed to change the view on British food habits abroad.
Don't kid yourself that Jamie Oliver tells you anything about British food habits. He became popular precisely because he was showing people something new (simplified River Cafe-style Italian food initially).
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....and you guys think that Germans drink bad lager from huge tankards and eat pork knuckles.
Completely wrong. Some of the lager is quite good and sometimes even sold in smaller quantities.








The haxen thing is true, though
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