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Old 29.10.2010, 15:59
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

Yes, labeling a life choice which is not per se "bad" (like killing people, as someone previously mentioned, or even animals - in fact, the very opposite, this is the case for meat-eaters) as being "abuse" is downright intolerant and ignorant at best.

Once again, the facts:
Caring and loving your children is good.
Also important is giving them enough guidance as far as life choices go, but at the same time not constraining them with your beliefs, especially when they are mature enough to think for themselves
It is a balancing act as any parent will attest.

This thread is plain stupid, sorry!

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Old 29.10.2010, 16:00
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At age 12, your brain is pretty much formed. That's when you said you gave up meat.

It's in those very early years of a child's life (0-6) that it's really important to get all the correct nutrients. One easy way of doing this is to feed your child meat and fish and dairy products along with vegetables etc.
It can be done on a vegetarian diet but it is much more difficult and greater care and thought needs to be given. I've no idea about a fruitarian diet - I should think not.
OK, I get what you´re saying, maybe I didn´t mention that fish and everything other than chicken made me wanna puke, meat just didn 't work for me from a very early age.

Yes I gave up on the whole thing when I was 12, but I really didn´t eat that much meat when I was younger anyway. And absolutely nothing is wrong with me or there ever was.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:00
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Cheese, milk , yogurt, plough-pulling, well-bucket hauling, cart-pulling.....
Dairy isn't animal cruelty? And I don't think well-bucket-hauling will really bring in the numbers that Nike does

Of course there will be more than 10 cows. But the aim is for all cows to be raised organically and have a nice life before they're killed painlessly and without stress. When this goal is attained (as it is for the meat that I personally consume) then in my opinion eating meat will be better for the animal than not eating meat.

Oh, and I'd rather be an organic meat cow than an organic milk cow.

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Old 29.10.2010, 16:02
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OK, I get what you´re saying, maybe I didn´t mention that fish and everything other than chicken made me wanna puke, meat just didn 't work for me from a very early age.

Yes I gave up on the whole thing when I was 12, but I really didn´t eat that much meat when I was younger anyway. And absolutely nothing is wrong with me or there ever was.

Okay, it's like that is it. Fair enough. My oldest son doesn't like apple pie.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:03
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

Soy should be IMHO a biiiig no! NO! As with corn all soy products on the planet have been genetically pimped, Monsanto's wettest wet dream has come finally come true.
I am well aware that this thread could veer onto a Frankenfood topic, so be it.
Monsanto's genetic dabbling is one reason that I stay omnivorous and "enjoy" the relative high cost of meat in CH, they do not get fed with monster corn and soy.
Quality not quantity.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:07
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Soy should be IMHO a biiiig no! NO! As with corn all soy products on the planet have been genetically pimped, Monsanto's wettest wet dream has come finally come true.
I am well aware that this thread could veer onto a Frankenfood topic, so be it.
Monsanto's genetic dabbling is one reason that I stay omnivorous and "enjoy" the relative high cost of meat in CH, they do not get fed with monster corn and soy.
Quality not quantity.
I actually hate soy and all those substitutes for meat, they either taste funny or taste like nothing at all
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:08
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But the aim is for all cows to be raised organically and have a nice life before they're killed painlessly and without stress.
I have once worked next to a small village butcher. Wednesday mornings, the backyard is full of pigs and later you hear every few minutes the last squeak of one while the others are waiting... Pigs are smart animals - pretty close to dogs if not smarter - and to believe that they do not get what is going on is naive - so yes, except of maybe the first one, they must be all pretty stressed... And that was still the "organic" way - far from one of the meat factories.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:11
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I have once worked next to a small village butcher. Wednesday mornings, the backyard is full of pigs and later you hear every few minutes the last squeak of one while the others are waiting... Pigs are smart animals - pretty close to dogs if not smarter - and to believe that they do not get what is going on is naive - so yes, except of maybe the first one, they must be all pretty stressed... And that was still the "organic" way - far from one of the meat factories.
When you´re a kid you don´t really think about where the steak or meatballs in front of you came from.

Later on you may just even resent every adult that forced you to eat an animal that was murdered so you could have a very yummy meal.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:11
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but you can put both kinds of food in front of a child and the child can decide what to eat.
Geat idea.... let's put some beer, alcopops next to milk as well...
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:14
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

I don't think there's any evidence at all that kids are harmed by eating a vegetarian diet. I friends who grew up like that and there were no problems at all.

It's also not a problem if you DO feed your children meat.

There isn't some kind of default 'correct' diet.

Can we keep the term 'abuse' for more serious situations. We're somewhat devaluing its usage.

What a silly thread.
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

I don't understand the point. More than 50 % of Indians do not consume meat and they have been surviving for centuries. My family has been vegetarians (no meat, no egg, no fish, no fowl) for 100s of years.

Yes! You can feed your children only vegetarian food.
No! its not child abuse.

I plan to teach my kid not to eat meat.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:15
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When you´re a kid you don´t really think about where the steak or meatballs in front of you came from.

Later on you may just even resent every adult that forced you to eat an animal that was murdered so you could have a very yummy meal.
So you're actually a vegan?
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:17
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I plan to teach my kid not to eat meat.
Teach? I agree on raising them to your values but what happens when they are old enough to choose meat? what would you do then?

I am hoping teaching was the wrong term used here
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So shouldn't you put everything possible in front of them to let them make a proper choice.
forcing a child to be vegetarian means the parent is actively denying the child some types of food i.e. making an effort to limit the range of food that a child will eat.

the same arguments about the child being "old enough to decide" can also be applied to say that the child was too young to have consented to such limitation and was not able to assess the potential health impact or indeed to the enjoyment of experiencing different tastes.
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Old 29.10.2010, 16:18
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So you're actually a vegan?
No I´m not, I drink milk and eat cheese.

No animal has to be killed for those, right?
They feed their own babies with milk, I have no problem with milk.
Got milk?
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When you´re a kid you don´t really think about where the steak or meatballs in front of you came from.

Later on you may just even resent every adult that forced you to eat an animal that was murdered so you could have a very yummy meal.
Only if you didn't truly believe your parents had your best interests at heart when you were a child. If you did resent them for that, it would seem a little shallow and ungrateful, no?

My parents made me wear purple flares when I was a kid - now THAT is something I can resent them for...
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All else being equal, vegetarianism isn't as healthy as omnivorous food lifestyle. It's very hard to ingest all 9 essential amino acids as a vegetarian, and while it's possible, it's not the easiest way to live life. Our bodies have evolved to eat animal protein and unless a child actually eats amaranyth, soya and quinoa multiple times per day, they probably will be nutrient deficient.
We do have some adaptations as a result of eating meat and dairy products. For example, most mammals lose the ability to digest lactose sometime after weaning. Apparently, Caucasians have been raising cattle for a long time.

But we have been eating vegetables for longer, and in certain circles it is known that avoiding milk can reduce acne, because of natural growth hormones in milk. Cow's milk is perfectly balanced for you, if you are a growing calf.

Regarding essential amino acids, some foods are low in one or two, but if you do actual research you find that it isn't a big deal to cover them all. For example, 2 1/2 cups of tofu contains the US RDA of all essential amino acids.

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Moreover, it is poor logic to say that vegetarians have a longer lifespan, so vegetarianism must be healthier. People with OCD have a longer lifespan too, but it's not something a lot of people wish they were. Those people who are vegetarian are self aware enough and have sufficient self restraint that they probably don't indulge in fast food as much, and are probably less likely to smoke. Those same individuals would probably live longer if they ate more high quality protein.
There were some studies done in China, in regions where meat was essentially not available or not eaten for cultural reason. They compared people in these regions to people with similar lifestyles in meat eating regions. Would you care to guess the results?

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Moreover, I find eating organic meat to be beneficial to the animal. Without my demand for the stuff, the animal would never have existed in the first place, had a reasonably nice life, and then died (as we all do) in a relatively pain free way. If nobody wore leather or ate beef, how many cows would there be in the world? 10?
None actually. Like dogs, cats, and other domesticated animals, cows as we know that wouldn't exist without us. Instead we'd have wild Aurochs, which were rather different and which we drove to extinction.
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Only if you didn't truly believe your parents had your best interests at heart. If you did resent them for that, it would seem a little shallow and ungrateful, no?
Not really, no..
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No I´m not, I drink milk and eat cheese.

No animal has to be killed for those, right?
They feed their own babies with milk, I have no problem with milk.
Got milk?
Oh dear, oh dear....
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When you´re a kid you don´t really think about where the steak or meatballs in front of you came from.

Later on you may just even resent every adult that forced you to eat an animal that was murdered so you could have a very yummy meal.
Animals aren't murdered to make food, they (im talking farm animals) are bred and then slaughtered for the specific purpose of making food... just as we have been doing for thousands of years. I have no qualms about it whatsoever, and don't see why anyone should.

It's things like overfishing and whaling, as well as the slaughter of indigenous animal species in Asia for BS medical remedies that really set my teeth on edge.
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