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Old 29.10.2010, 18:07
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not really.

some people are vegetarian because they don't like the taste of meat. but then they might not deny their children from eating meat since presumably they would acknowledge that their child might have different tastes to them (unless they argue that their children are too young to decide whether they like the taste of meat or not).

so the underlying reason or principle (if there is any) behind the choice of vegetarianism is important in regard to how and why it is also forced onto the child.
I may be a vegetarian but I would never force my kid to be one.
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:14
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I was amazed, but not anymore.
I got tired of explaining myself over and over again.. Some people just can´t comprehend, that´s really their problem not mine.

My hubby eats meat (lots) so what am I suppose to do? Divorce him or make him vegetarian?? No, I won´t, cos every living thing has the right to choose, this is simply my choice.
Nor would I deny my child meat, if he/she want´s to eat (healthy meat obviously) who am I to say "no you can´t have that because mommy doesn´t eat meat".
NO, I understood early on that is was just the taste of something you didn't like. You said you didn't like fish or meat but chicken was okay (probably as long as it wasn't organic as the taste of a happy chicken can be a bit strong).

That's absolutely fine. I replied that my son didn't like apple pie.

He likes other things but not apple pie. I'm afraid you don't get in some special category - you're just what older people would call a bit of a fussy eater*

However, what annoyed me was your conviction that no animals died in the production of milk which I tried to show you were wrong in your thinking.

I'm not trying to stop you have dairy products or putting you off, I'm merely pointing out the error in your understanding.

Anyway, I think it's great that you're happy to let others in your family enjoy meat even if you don't - that's tolerance

* P.S. Half the people in the U.K don't actually enjoy eating fish either - unless it's dipped in egg and flour and deep fried!
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:19
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NO, I understood early on that is was just the taste of something you didn't like. You said you didn't like fish or meat but chicken was okay (probably as long as it wasn't organic as the taste of a happy chicken can be a bit strong).

That's absolutely fine. I replied that my son didn't like apple pie.

He likes other things but not apple pie. I'm afraid you don't get in some special category - you're just what older people would call a bit of a fussy eater*

However, what annoyed me was your conviction that no animals died in the production of milk which I tried to show you were wrong in your thinking.

I'm not trying to stop you have dairy products or putting you off, I'm merely pointing out the error in your understanding.

Anyway, I think it's great that you're happy to let others in your family enjoy meat even if you don't - that's tolerance

* P.S. Half the people in the U.K don't actually enjoy eating fish either - unless it's dipped in egg and flour and deep fried!
My conviction? I guess I wanted to say that a cow doesn´t have to die in order to give milk.
I´ve never even heard of such a thing as dead cows milk.
She can have a happy and long life on a nearby farm or up the hill and still provide milk for me to drink.
Or am I wrong?
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:21
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

One of my daughters has been a vegeatarian since she was 10 - out of choice - she is now 25.

When she visited her boyfriend's gran the first time for a meal - She was greeted by the words-

"We're having lamb today, lovey I heard that you were a vegetarian - so I went a bought you a nice breast of chicken"
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:21
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I see this from the other side. My Mum turned vegetarian when she was about 10 years old which was really not the done thing in rural Scotland and for sure not a trendy thing at the time. When she had children she raised us to eat everything we wanted to while she kept to her veggie diet, she could not see how she could realistically feed us a healthy vegetarian diet given the money & resources she had available during our early years. My Mum coninued to cook us meat until we were teenagers then she turned the kitchen over to us, she cooked the veggie meals we cooked the meat when we wanted it. One of my sisters turned veggie as a teenager whereas my other sister & myself still eat meat. My Mum never imposes her way of life onto others, she will happily cook meat for her younger grandchildren, but brought us up with the knowledge to make up our own minds when we were old enough to do so.
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:24
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One of my daughters has been a vegeatarian since she was 10 - out of choice - she is now 25.

When she visited her boyfriend's gran the first time for a meal - She was greeted by the words-

"We're having lamb today, lovey I heard that you were a vegetarian - so I went a bought you a nice breast of chicken"
Oh don´t even get me started on that one
Often when I ask "are there any sandwiches without meat" I get "oh,yes, you have chicken, tuna.."
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:26
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My conviction? I guess I wanted to say that a cow doesn´t have to die in order to give milk.
Isn't a calf a type of cow, then?
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:31
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My conviction? I guess I wanted to say that a cow doesn´t have to die in order to give milk.
She won't die, but her brothers will probably have a very short, or possibly a short and painful life. And as you can't control the sex of calves, you can't have one without the other.

So yes, in the real world, calves die in order for you to have your milk.

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She can have a happy and long life on a nearby farm or up the hill and still provide milk for me to drink.
She'll be happier if you buy organic milk. There's not much of a price difference.

(Perhaps you do already?)
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:34
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some people are vegetarian because they don't like the taste of meat. but then they might not deny their children from eating meat since presumably they would acknowledge that their child might have different tastes to them (unless they argue that their children are too young to decide whether they like the taste of meat or not).

so the underlying reason or principle (if there is any) behind the choice of vegetarianism is important in regard to how and why it is also forced onto the child.
some people are omnivorous because they like the taste of meat. but then they might not force their children to eat meat since presumably they would acknowledge that their child might have different tastes to them (unless they argue that their children are too young to decide whether they like the taste of meat or not).

so the underlying reason or principle (if there is any) behind the choice of being omnivorous is important in regard to how and why it is also forced onto the child.

THERE IS NO DEFAULT DIET
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:40
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some people are omnivorous because they like the taste of meat. but then they might not force their children to eat meat since presumably they would acknowledge that their child might have different tastes to them (unless they argue that their children are too young to decide whether they like the taste of meat or not).

so the underlying reason or principle (if there is any) behind the choice of being omnivorous is important in regard to how and why it is also forced onto the child.
Has anyone here, with children, actually forced meat upon their children?
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Has anyone here, with children, actually forced meat upon their children?
"If you don't finish your dinner, you're not getting any ice cream pudding". Amounts to the same thing.
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:48
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

I don't care what people feed their kids, veggie not veggie, mac donalds etc.. this is not of my concern..but what i can't stand with vegeterians is when they behave like extremists about it. My older sister has become vegetarian and has turned into a dictator about it. When she comes to my parents, she makes their lives absolutely miserable and very difficult. I don't even want to invite her at my house because if she does not eat like the hosts, well she can bugger off.. I aslo don't want to hear her criticise what I feed my kids as I don't want to criticize what other parents feed their kids...

Well, actually, she came once and we did not change our habits for her so she fed herself with sardines or god knows what. I was not going to change the menu for her.. take it or leave it. it's like people who would only eat bio, she is also an all bio person and very extremists about it.... as a result, she has bad teeth, her menstrual cycle is all over the place and she needs to take medication for her iron level..

As for this poll is concerned it's like asking parents if taking their children to church every sunday and send them to sunday school to force them to believe in God is a form of child abuse!
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:55
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

thanks all for the friday afternoon discussion. the voting (like the red and green blobbies i got for starting the discussion!) was more balanced than i thought.

i thought there would be a lot more 'no' votes and red blobbies.
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Old 29.10.2010, 18:57
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I think a vegan diet is certainly a bad idea for a growing body. Don't really have any problems with vegetarianism though....
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As for this poll is concerned it's like asking parents if taking their children to church every sunday and send them to sunday school to force them to believe in God is a form of child abuse!
that's a definite yes vote!
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Old 29.10.2010, 19:28
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Quite surprised by some of the intolerant pushy members on this forum. Just because someone has chosen a different eating lifestyle choice for them and their family compared to you you think you have the right to judge and knock it? I am always amazed at the hostility vegetarians receive from non vegetarians. Does theirs and their child's eating habits really bother you?
Nicky, this is a discussion on the merits or otherwise of a certain position, much like others on the forum and no one is being (that) hostile to anyone else. As you can see from the poll, the opinions are divided, but neither opinion is "out of order" nor really the way that the majority have expressed. Kudos to PhilMCR for starting this new thread rather than killing the other one, or your point would have been well made. Since the poll is rather even, it's not that helpful for you to respond to Phil and others' well meaning/made points with "are you kidding" or similar. I don't believe that it's the worst thing in the world to be vegetarian, many of my family are. But if it's shown that vegetarianism is marginally less healthy than omnivorism then bringing up a child to be vegetarian is de facto child cruelty on a low level, just like giving a child loads of chocolate every day or 6 hours of television.

It may not be. It may be that vegetarianism is just as healthy or even healthier. And that's part of the discussion. I don't see much hostility towards vegetarians beyond the above contention.
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Old 29.10.2010, 19:30
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THERE IS NO DEFAULT DIET
GG, a fancy bold and capitalised typeface doesn't make your point instant fact. There are in fact normalcies in diet. That's why food tastes different when you visit Thailand etc.
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GG, a fancy bold and capitalised typeface doesn't make your point instant fact. There are in fact normalcies in diet. That's why food tastes different when you visit Thailand etc.
I said it before but Phil wasn't listening, so I thought I'd resort to shouting.

Of course there are normal diets within certain cultures, but the fact that there are different diets from culture to culture means there is no default.

I'm making a slightly different point in the argument anyway . . . in terms of forcing children to either eat meat or not, I don't think it's a valid argument to pretend that one of them is forcing the child but the other isn't. They're both the same.
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I'm making a slightly different point in the argument anyway . . . in terms of forcing children to either eat meat or not, I don't think it's a valid argument to pretend that one of them is forcing the child but the other isn't. They're both the same.
Anyone with a child would know that the words "child" "force" and "eat" do not belong in the same sentence unless they add the words "asparagus" "spit" and "carpet"...
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Im a vegetarian and I dont think thats child abuse - I feel good about it so do my kids besides most youngsters are vegetarians anyway.
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