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Old 30.10.2010, 15:10
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

Impossible to really raise kids as 100% VEGI - theres just not enough available protein without meat.
It's now fairly certain that ,mans ability to make fire and cook meat accelerated our ability to raise healthy young and develop at a faster rate than our vegi close cousins the apes ....

Yes it's an abuse ... poor things give em a sausage ... don't subject your kids to ideals that your adult mind has decided are good for you ... a 2 year old just won't understand .... yet ...
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Old 30.10.2010, 15:11
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

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In my experience, it's not much different from the situation in Britain. I suspect urban children here see livestock a little more frequently than their British counterparts, but I doubt they get to see the animals in the stickier and runnier stages of their evolution to shrink wrapped Migros specials any more often than a child from Newcastle or Swindon.

Perhaps we could encourage slaughterhouses to install big windows next to the pavements that pass their establishments?
I think you have a valid point BUT, most of the meat that ends up in the supermarket doesn't just go through the traditional slaughter process... all sorts of crap often gets added along the way.

A friend of mine is a "natura beef" farmer here in Switzerland. So if you need an adress to see where real good beef comes from let me know

Abuse I think is a strong word in this context but in some cases (if you take individual case by case accounts) yes it probably is. If the child starts to suffer from malnurishment then yes.

BUT I personally believe in the freedom of choice. I spent many years researching diet (not just to loose a couple of pounds here and there), how it affects our bodies, allergies and all the illnesses we suffer. Why some people seem to be more prone to every sniffel and why others are not and if there is a link between diet. During this phase I followed a Vegan diet without following the absolutistic approach with regards to "no cruelty to animals". I was fortunate not to suffer any side effects, but seemed actually much healthier which I put down to the higher intake of diverse vegetables and homecooking as eating-on-the-go was suddenly more of a challange..

I find the level "additives" and lack of true nutritional value a lot of food has these days more troubling... the super processed foods with god knows what in them..
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Old 30.10.2010, 15:49
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Perhaps we could encourage slaughterhouses to install big windows next to the pavements that pass their establishments?
haha, reminds me of this
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No, neither are "silly". It's a matter of degree.
Something can't be silly because it's at one end of a scale of degrees?

If I tell a child he can't have an ice lolly that would also be a matter of degree (in your terms) but it would still be utterly ridiculous to call it 'child abuse'.
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It could be I suppose but I don't think that was the point.
Your point basically seemed to be that if people could use the word 'abuse' in regard to religious upbringing, it was perfectly valid to use it for diet. I'm saying you should save the word for something serious, like, for example when the law steps in.

Yes, it's a valid discussion whether parents should allowed to force a dietary restriction on their children, but to bracket vegetarianism in with violence and sexual abuse (which is what you do when you use the word 'abuse') is ridiculous and sensationalist. Between white and black there are many degrees of grey, but at some point you can't keep calling it dark.
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

I grew up as a vegetarian and oh it is so much fun when all the other kids are having hotdogs and hamburgers and you are stuck with a fruit snack!
I am still a veggie but my kids are not!
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

Raising your children as Freemasons would definitely be a form of child abuse!

What do you think about Churches that do not allow kids to listen to modern music, or stay on at school to study post compulsory education, or teach creativity - or even more to the point, do not allow blood transfusion or transplantation, or require genital mutilation (of boys or girls), etc. Totally agree with gastro nome, so many shades of grey and even black or white!

Having said that, our daughters had friends who were raised as extremely strict vegetarians, and they were teased mercilessly and never invited out for tea. Maybe the teasing made them stronger, or confirmed vegetarians for life- or totally the opposite!

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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...=ILCNETTXT3487

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...bys-death.html

An extreme example as the baby was fed only on breast milk. But it serves to show what can happen when stupidity clouds morality.
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Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse? Yes.
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

NO be careful.... a healthy vegetarian life style is ok , but not as a new born.
Baby need to get from Mum vitamins A and B12. So if mums vegan then and baby is only breast fed then it's obviously not good.

However after breast feeding theres nothing wrong with being a "no meat thanks" ... my 10 year old has only just started eating meat.. and a todler he never liked it.... but by the gods he could eat mushrooms ...

I think the issue with the french couple is more one of how we absorb information in this modern world. People who write books about alternative life styles should be classed as "fiction" maybe or have a "danger" label ..

Anyone can publish a book these days ... without any experience .. or proof reading or advice .. most of the books found in "eso" shops are that kind of free press.

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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

There's a chance this could become a law in Italy.

Parents who feed children vegan diet face prosecution under proposed Italian law
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And damn right, too.
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

I thought this thread was dead years ago due to low protein intake
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Re: Is raising children as vegetarians/vegans/fruitarians a form of child abuse?

Thanks for reviving this thread. Reading through the old posts made me laugh (again)
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