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One interesting for the England fans - Flood or Wilko first choice?
Based on 6N - Flood

Based on RWC warm-ups (so far) - Wilco

Let's see what vs. Ireland throws up...
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all blacks win this year for sure!!!
Are you sure???
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Old 23.08.2011, 09:46
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Re: RWC 2011 thread

England team announced

Looks like England are going to stick with the "tried and tested" centre combinations .

I'd be surprised if Tuilagi or Simpson make it on before 70 min in most - if any - matches. Barring injury, I don't think England will pick "creative" players and the back-line is going to struggle to fire against any serious opposition. The only hope is that 12 and 13 are by-passed through the back 3 picking up the ball on counter-attacks rather than from set pieces.

It's a shame, as England could - and indeed should - come out top of their group. This would most likely mean a match-up against France (or NZ), and I don't think they'd manage to beat them with the "current" first team...

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Forwards: (17)

Props: Dan Cole (Leicester, Age 24, 17 caps), Alex Corbisiero (London Irish, 22, 6), Andrew Sheridan (Sale, 31, 38), Matt Stevens (Saracens, 28, 34), David Wilson (Bath, 26, 18).

Hookers: Dylan Hartley (Northampton, 25, 29), Lee Mears (Bath, 32, 37), Steve Thompson (Wasps, 33, 67).

Locks: Louis Deacon (Leicester, 30, 24), Courtney Lawes (Northampton, 22, 9), Tom Palmer (Stade Francais, 32, 27), Simon Shaw (unattached, 37, 67).

Back row: Tom Croft (Leicester, 25, 25), Nick Easter (Harlequins, 33, 44), James Haskell (Ricoh Black Rams, 26, 36), Lewis Moody (Bath, 33, 67), Tom Wood (Northampton, 24, 7).

Backs: (13)

Full-backs/wings: Delon Armitage (London Irish, 27, 20), Ben Foden (Northampton, 26, 16), Chris Ashton (Northampton, 24, 12), Mark Cueto (Sale, 31, 52).

Centres: Matt Banahan (Bath, 24, 13), Shontayne Hape (London Irish, 30, 12), Mike Tindall (Gloucester, 32, 71), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester, 20, 1).

Fly-halves: Toby Flood (Leicester, 26, 41), Jonny Wilkinson (Toulon, 32, 86).

Scrum-halves: Joe Simpson (Wasps, 23, 0), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 28, 7), Ben Youngs (Leicester, 21, 12).
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Will be watching it on Sky sat, but if you have any trouble finding viewing possibilities, let me know. I can nudge you in the right direction for online streaming. Good quality and free...
I'd loved to be nudged a little - any hints :-)!
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Old 07.09.2011, 13:22
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Just booked flights for a week in NYC, which would be a good thing normally....

except we fly out when the 1st semi-final is on


and fly back when the final is being played
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Old 07.09.2011, 19:07
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I'd loved to be nudged a little - any hints :-)!
Or come down to the Shamrock for an English breakie and the game. There's going to be a bunch of us there.

Sorry, losing my mind a little. We're all heading down to the Shamrock for the Bok/Wales game but I'm sure Bart will have the place open for most of the games.
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Re: RWC 2011 thread

Well I can't bloody wait, I will be watching all the games including those starting at 2.30am. Only downer is it's on ITV and we all know how rubbish their coverage is of sport. Let's hope Jim Rosenthal isn't commentating, he seems to do every other sport that he knows nothing about.

I have to watch anyway, being a Bathonian rugby is in my blood.
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Old 08.09.2011, 13:41
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Re: RWC 2011 thread

Made a Swiss-time schedule, in case anyone cares to check for the next game: http://tinyurl.com/3kttgtd (and yes, OF COURSE the Pumas games are highlighted).
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Re: RWC 2011 thread

nice one Caleb, thanks!

Just as a heads up: the Pickwick pub in Bern will not be showing the group stage games, unless there is enough demand from the punters... that's me off to the Three Tells in Interlaken on Saturday then!
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all blacks win this year for sure!!!
I can't be sure, but 'likely'.

Come on England!!!
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nice one Caleb, thanks!

Just as a heads up: the Pickwick pub in Bern will not be showing the group stage games, unless there is enough demand from the punters... that's me off to the Three Tells in Interlaken on Saturday then!

Or, head down to Paddy reilly's in Fribourg, where certainly most of the big weekend group games will be on for sure. Be worth checking in advance though. I can see this weekend's Wallabies vs Ireland drawing a big crowd...
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Re: RWC 2011 thread

Did Lawes deserve to be banned for two weeks?

I didn't notice the incident and can't find any clips on youtube
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Old 13.09.2011, 08:40
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Did Lawes deserve to be banned for two weeks?

I didn't notice the incident and can't find any clips on youtube
I think it was a bit harsh. From what I saw, he went in a little late as a 2nd tackler and caught the guy on the head with his knee. A little rash yes, malicious no.
On the positive, he could have been banned for a year if they'd decided there was malicious intent.
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Did Lawes deserve to be banned for two weeks?

I didn't notice the incident and can't find any clips on youtube
Short answer - YES. And not just for the one incident. He went into many tackles with the clear intention to hurt the other person. It is one thing to be competitive, it is another to be vindictive and to deliberately try and injure the opposition player. I think he should consider himself lucky that it was ONLY two weeks.....
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Short answer - YES. And not just for the one incident. He went into many tackles with the clear intention to hurt the other person. It is one thing to be competitive, it is another to be vindictive and to deliberately try and injure the opposition player. I think he should consider himself lucky that it was ONLY two weeks.....
+1

Clip here (replays at 01:55)

He went in, the Argie was on the ground and the ball was out of play already (MJ: "He was going in to prevent a try" - oh do give us a break), and then he dropped both knees into the guy's head. He (Lawes) looked most surprised when Ledesma actually continued. The tackle on Tiesi was very late and he made sure he landed on Tiesi's knee, I'm surprised he wasn't cited for that. He was equally lucky to escape the punishment meted out to Gareth Thomas by the Wallabies after his late tackle on Berrick Barnes in 2007.

Before that, Haskell got Contemponi out by making sure he "acidentally" landed where Contemponi had been hurt before. Haskell of course got (even more reprehensible) payback just before the end, looking at the state of his eye.

Overall, as thuggish a team as you would expect if your coach was one of the big thugs of his time.
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Clip here (replays at 01:55)

He went in, the Argie was on the ground and the ball was out of play already (MJ: "He was going in to prevent a try" - oh do give us a break), and then he dropped both knees into the guy's head. He (Lawes) looked most surprised when Ledesma actually continued. The tackle on Tiesi was very late and he made sure he landed on Tiesi's knee, I'm surprised he wasn't cited for that. He was equally lucky to escape the punishment meted out to Gareth Thomas by the Wallabies after his late tackle on Berrick Barnes in 2007.

Before that, Haskell got Contemponi out by making sure he "acidentally" landed where Contemponi had been hurt before. Haskell of course got (even more reprehensible) payback just before the end, looking at the state of his eye.

Overall, as thuggish a team as you would expect if your coach was one of the big thugs of his time.
Oh come off it. Have you ever tried to pull out of a tackle once your commited and practically airborn? He wasn't cited because it was entirely legit, just unfortunate that Tiesi got injured. How the hell does he "make sure he lands on Tiesi's knee" in that situation? He made contact just as Tiesi was kicking and had the desired effect of putting him off the kick, judging by where it landed. Rugby is a full contact sport, may I remind you.
As I said before, the knee on Ledesma was just clumsy in my opinion.
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Oh come off it. Have you ever tried to pull out of a tackle once your commited and practically airborn? He wasn't cited because it was entirely legit, just unfortunate that Tiesi got injured. Rugby is a full contact sport, may I remind you.
Yeah, that's what people said about spear tackles before the IRB cracked down on them, wasn't it. It is a full contact sport, but it is also supposed to be played on your feet. So if you lift an opponent off the ground in a tackle, (s)he's now your problem - and if you become "airborne" in a tackle, then it's your problem as well.
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Yeah, that's what people said about spear tackles before the IRB cracked down on them, wasn't it. It is a full contact sport, but it is also supposed to be played on your feet. So if you lift an opponent off the ground in a tackle, (s)he's now your problem - and if you become "airborne" in a tackle, then it's your problem as well.
There's a world of difference between deliberately spearing someone headfirst into the ground and making a completely legal, full wrap-around tackle at chest height.
"On your feet" only? How does one jump at the lineout or gain an advantage to catch a high ball? Staying on your feet applies only to the breakdown area. You'd be lambasted by everyone if your tried to tackle someone and not try to put them on the deck.
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Overall, as thuggish a team as you would expect if your coach was one of the big thugs of his time.
You got that right! Time will tell with Lawes...he looks like a nasty piece of work...yes, it is a full contact sport, but the aim should be to win the ball, not to hurt the opposition as much as you (legally) can....
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There's a world of difference between deliberately spearing someone headfirst into the ground and making a completely legal, full wrap-around tackle at chest height.
"On your feet" only? How does one jump at the lineout or gain an advantage to catch a high ball? Staying on your feet applies only to the breakdown area. You'd be lambasted by everyone if your tried to tackle someone and not try to put them on the deck.
With the new rules, the only difference between deliberately spearing someone and "accidentally" turning them over mid-air is that the former is a straight red, whereas otherwise you can get away with a yellow or a simple penalty if completely accidental.
In the lineout, lifting was outlawed for good reason. It's a shame that instead of insisting the laws of the game were followed, the laws were changed to allow lifting. The reason for all of that is that airborne play and crunching tackles look good on TV. What next - Aussie Rules style "high marks"? Full NFL style body armour?

BTW there's also a world of difference between "putting someone on the deck" and flying into a tackle - and between "putting someone on the deck" and "putting someone on a stretcher".
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