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With the new rules, the only difference between deliberately spearing BTW there's also a world of difference between "putting someone on the deck" and flying into a tackle - and between "putting someone on the deck" and "putting someone on a stretcher".
Watch your video again. Lawes doesn't actually perform a flying tackle at all, what he does do is use his sprinting momentum to make sure of the tackle. It's simply a big hit from the side, technically correct and totally legal. Unfotunately, Triesi is obviously off balance when tackled and his knee is injured. Hell if everyone pulled out of a tackle in case they thought someone might get injured, we'd all be playing touch rugby. It's a totally recognised risk of probably the most physically intensive sport in existence.
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Oh come off it. Have you ever tried to pull out of a tackle once your commited and practically airborn? He wasn't cited because it was entirely legit, just unfortunate that Tiesi got injured. How the hell does he "make sure he lands on Tiesi's knee" in that situation? He made contact just as Tiesi was kicking and had the desired effect of putting him off the kick, judging by where it landed. Rugby is a full contact sport, may I remind you.
As I said before, the knee on Ledesma was just clumsy in my opinion.
Shall I remind you of Lawes' comments before the game ?

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“I don’t mind a scuffle every now and then. It doesn’t necessarily get under my skin, I just do it because I can and it gets under their skin. I just play my own game and stick to my strengths.
Guy is a thug - same as Bakkies Botha - 2 weeks is a joke - should have gotten 12.
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Shall I remind you of Lawes' comments before the game ?
Should I be looking for something out of the ordinary in that quote? From my playing days, if you could niggle your opponent enough to put them slightly off their game, then you've won an important psychological battle. It doesn't mean I was going to go out and deliberately cause a serious injury to an opponent. I've landed a few ineffective punches and raked a few backs in my time, but I've never tried to break a limb or gouge an eye.
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Old 13.09.2011, 13:30
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Should I be looking for something out of the ordinary in that quote? From my playing days, if you could niggle your opponent enough to put them slightly off their game, then you've won an important psychological battle. It doesn't mean I was going to go out and deliberately cause a serious injury to an opponent. I've landed a few ineffective punches and raked a few backs in my time, but I've never tried to break a limb or gouge an eye.
Uhh we're not talking about you - Lawes very clearly engaged in reckless play and his before the game comments remind me very much of a certain Tana Umaga.
These are professional players and very powerful guys at that - you make mention of gouging - which increasingly is becoming excused as being clumsy - either you're for strong policing of the sport and protection of it against thuggish elements or you're not - Lawes comments before the game clearly indicate an intent to engage in "clumsy" (read thuggish) behaviour.
You may remember Schalk Burger tried (sadly successfully) to use clumsiness as an excuse to get off a much stiffer ban for gouging Luke Fitzgerald during the Lions tour.
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Uhh we're not talking about you - Lawes very clearly engaged in reckless play and his before the game comments remind me very much of a certain Tana Umaga.
These are professional players and very powerful guys at that - you make mention of gouging - which increasingly is becoming excused as being clumsy - either you're for strong policing of the sport and protection of it against thuggish elements or you're not - Lawes comments before the game clearly indicate an intent to engage in "clumsy" (read thuggish) behaviour.
You may remember Schalk Burger tried (sadly successfully) to use clumsiness as an excuse to get off a much stiffer ban for gouging Luke Fitzgerald during the Lions tour.
No, he refers to "scuffles". Something that happens in every game and not necessarily involving so-called "thuggish" players, as you describe them.
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Old 13.09.2011, 13:59
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Such a shame Bakkies is still injured (and may not play for the rest of the tournament), would be interesting to see Lawes and Bakkies in a game together...

That I include Lawes in the same sentence as Bakkies, implies he isn't the cleanest of players. I love Bakkies, but damn he does tend to push the envelope or rip it apart rather...

Let's hope the form of our two teams picks up enough to warrant an encounter in the knockout stages!
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Old 13.09.2011, 14:06
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Such a shame Bakkies is still injured (and may not play for the rest of the tournament), would be interesting to see Lawes and Bakkies in a game together...

That I include Lawes in the same sentence as Bakkies, implies he isn't the cleanest of players. I love Bakkies, but damn he does tend to push the envelope or rip it apart rather...

Let's hope the form of our two teams picks up enough to warrant an encounter in the knockout stages!
Bakkies Botha is clearly the most dangerous dirty player in World rugby - could easily have killed Gio Aplon . I can understand why a PROFESSIONAL team would want a player like that in their side but it's got no place in something calling itself sport.

Here's some nice video of Lawes :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl1...-ledesma_sport

He could have broken Ledesma's neck - makes no attempt to tackle with his body - just drops both knees.
Quite honestly I wouldn't want any kids of mine playing that - that's thuggishness plain and simple - it's just the same thing that ruined soccer.

Perhaps it will really take a death in prime time world rugby to make people sit up and pay attention to the destruction of a once honourable game.

EDIT: I was rooting for England before the game - I've a lot of good English friends but not after - they didn't deserve to win that game by any stretch and employed repeatedly very dirty tactics and sadly got away with them.
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Old 13.09.2011, 14:15
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Watch your video again. Lawes doesn't actually perform a flying tackle at all, what he does do is use his sprinting momentum to make sure of the tackle. It's simply a big hit from the side, technically correct and totally legal. Unfotunately, Triesi is obviously off balance when tackled and his knee is injured. Hell if everyone pulled out of a tackle in case they thought someone might get injured, we'd all be playing touch rugby. It's a totally recognised risk of probably the most physically intensive sport in existence.
Watch it again, he jumps, both feet are in the air before the contact with the upper body, and he does that after the ball has been kicked. There is a way to play the game without it descending into thuggery, but I agree it's less spectacular to watch (that is, if "big hits" is what you're looking for in a game of Rugby Union).

Good point about Bakkies Botha. Trouble is, once the opposition (and the refs) think that you are your side's Bakkies Botha, they will treat you accordingly - you will get hurt if the other side has a suitable enforcer, and you will be penalised by the refs if you so much as sneeze near an opponent (well not quite but I read that somewhere over the weekend and liked it).
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Old 13.09.2011, 14:22
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Sadly not - here's Botha on Aplon - he got 4 WEEKS FOR THIS :
http://www.superxv.com/video/bakkies...f5aa04a7e.html
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Sadly not - here's Botha on Aplon - he got 4 WEEKS FOR THIS :
http://www.superxv.com/video/bakkies...f5aa04a7e.html
Bakkies always has blurred the line, that's for sure. Although I must admit, If I were Aplon, I would not have gotten involved in that ruck. Not with Bakkies around... Anyone who knows him, knows he will clear it out with gusto...

Anyway, I think we are straying away from the initial reason for this thread.

So back on topic, still early days in the group stages, but things are developing quite interestingly. Might just see a few upsets in the next few games.

If the Scots thought the Romanians were tough, then wait for Georgia. These guys tackle through players as if the player is a few paces back...

My opinion; Scots will struggle. I am also looking forward to the Ire-Aus game, without Ioane, things may be a bit different. But then the Aussies do have a lot of class players though.
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Well the Scotts didn't lose, but they sure did make hard work of it. Congrats to the Canadians, played well!
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Well the Scotts didn't lose, but they sure did make hard work of it. Congrats to the Canadians, played well!
I watched some of the Scotland game on my phone. Georgia seemed well up for it. Nobody appears to be a complete pushover this tournament, which is a fantastic development for world rugby.

Having said that, the ABs will now put 80-odd past Japan on Friday
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I watched some of the Scotland game on my phone. Georgia seemed well up for it. Nobody appears to be a complete pushover this tournament, which is a fantastic development for world rugby.

Having said that, the ABs will now put 80-odd past Japan on Friday
Spot on with that. I am also delighted to see the smaller teams giving the bigger guys a hard time. Great for World rugby!

I would love to say I don't agree with you, but you are probably right. I thought the French attack was pretty ineffectual and lacked any real cohesion, despite the number of tries they scored. I don't think the Kiwi's will have that problem, so a big score may be on the cards. Having said that, the "Japanese" flyhalf Aldridge is not bad, although I don't think that will be enough to stop a flood of tries.

Other than the SA-Fiji game (which I am keen to watch for obvious reasons:-)), I still think the Aus-Ire game will be really interesting. I hope the Irish can pull out an upset!
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Spot on with that. I am also delighted to see the smaller teams giving the bigger guys a hard time. Great for World rugby!

I would love to say I don't agree with you, but you are probably right. I thought the French attack was pretty ineffectual and lacked any real cohesion, despite the number of tries they scored. I don't think the Kiwi's will have that problem, so a big score may be on the cards. Having said that, the "Japanese" flyhalf Aldridge is not bad, although I don't think that will be enough to stop a flood of tries.

Other than the SA-Fiji game (which I am keen to watch for obvious reasons:-)), I still think the Aus-Ire game will be really interesting. I hope the Irish can pull out an upset!
Me 2 but realistically our goose is rather burned with the latest injury to Flannery.
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I still think the Aus-Ire game will be really interesting. I hope the Irish can pull out an upset!
Same here. Unfortunately, I didn't see the Aus - Ita game, but by all accounts the Wallabies were pretty ordinary in the 1st half.
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Me 2 but realistically our goose is rather burned with the latest injury to Flannery.
Don't forget Ioane is also out, so at least things even themselves out a bit. He is pure class and the Aussies will miss him. But then they have a classy backline even without him...

Let's see if your man BOD can go out with a bang!
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Old 14.09.2011, 17:05
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Don't forget Ioane is also out, so at least things even themselves out a bit. He is pure class and the Aussies will miss him. But then they have a classy backline even without him...

Let's see if your man BOD can go out with a bang!
Right but I feel we have but one chance - we have to beat them up front - very heavily - to stand a chance.
On form we can do it - we're just a long way from there right now.
BOD has been playing intl level rugby for nigh on 11 years now and is mostly burnt out.
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I could say the same thing about a couple of our guys in the Bok team Some of them have been around for quite a while. Playing at that level for such a long time takes its toll.
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I could say the same thing about a couple of our guys in the Bok team Some of them have been around for quite a while. Playing at that level for such a long time takes its toll.
Yip fair enough - it's really quite interesting that all of the top teams have an achilles heel :

NZ - blatant cheaters who seem to wear invisibility cloak at breakdown and have no replacement for Carter
Boks - Insane coach , daft politics , backline handicapped by lack of experience at throwing ball beyond 10 - also bunch of thugs (Du Plessis , Botha)
Aus - maddening outhalf with incredible ability to run away from tackle , learning rapidly from McCaw how to manufacture invisibility cloak.
England - cynical as muck and generally awful
Ireland - overall awful - now utterly dependent on Cian Healy and SOB to punch holes in oppo- backline porous.
Wales - awesome backline play only disrupted by complete lack of belief.
France - Je ne sais quoi about these lot - incredible strength in depth only matched by incredible ability to be merde if the mood doesn't take them or if the pain falls with the buerre on the wrong side.
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Yip fair enough - it's really quite interesting that all of the top teams have an achilles heel :

NZ - blatant cheaters who seem to wear invisibility cloak at breakdown and have no replacement for Carter
Boks - Insane coach , daft politics , backline handicapped by lack of experience at throwing ball beyond 10 - also bunch of thugs (Du Plessis , Botha)
Aus - maddening outhalf with incredible ability to run away from tackle , learning rapidly from McCaw how to manufacture invisibility cloak.
England - cynical as muck and generally awful
Ireland - overall awful - now utterly dependent on Cian Healy and SOB to punch holes in oppo- backline porous.
Wales - awesome backline play only disrupted by complete lack of belief.
France - Je ne sais quoi about these lot - incredible strength in depth only matched by incredible ability to be merde if the mood doesn't take them or if the pain falls with the buerre on the wrong side.
LOL!

Agree, except I prefer to call it pushing the envelope (thuggery). Bakkies is, but you got to admit that Bissie is arguably the best Hooker in World rugby at the moment.
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