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Re: Premier LEAGUE 2011/12

What I still fail to understand is, if the evidence is so clear cut, why did the panel take so long to come to a decision? Is there audio/video evidence to show Suarez said negro seven times, or is this based on Evra's testimony?
Still shocked that Evra has not been punished, he really is a horrible little shite, just ask Domenech.
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:05
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Only if you're a manc...boohoohoo

Fergie can have all is influence off the pitch, but on the pitch it's a different story ...

Suarez will never be as hated as hairless Shrek, crying baby Nani, thick ugly Neville, little girl Van de Sar, pink shorts Ronaldo or the actress Cantona ... you Mancs not only hold the record of league titles, you hold and will always hold the most despised players and manager of the league.
you are just being silly now. 3 of those players are retired. and people are hated because they are bald or ugly??

where does this leave your star midfielder?

The persucution complex of liverpool was always bad enough, but now this small team mentality is just sad. Are you saying Ferguson was responsible for Suarez ban? really??

Wouldnt surprise me as liverpool werent responsible for Heysel, Hillsbrough, Suarez or generally anything ever..
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:07
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I'm glad to be informed of these things, so thanks for the update.

Without trying to provoke anything though, my Latin American history is fairly poor (i.e. non-existant), but I do know the Conquistadors weren't the friendliest of people to the natives. Did they also make slaves of the local people? If so, and Sudaca refers to this period, then I can understand the sensitivity of the term.

Suarez isn't new to Europe however. Having lived in Amsterdam (long enough to learn the language and culture), he would definitely have known how offensive what he said was. There's no way you'd get away with saying it in Holland either, so I'm not really buying the culture clash thing. As I said, I'm not painting Evra as innocent either, he was a bit of a tw@t too, but he was a tw@t once, not 7/8 times.
Sudaca - just google it and educate yourself.

So according to you, only if it's related to slavery, it is offensive!? You're having a laugh my friend. You're just being PC in the English world. There's A LOT more to dicscrimination, persecution, partialitiy, sectarianism and racism than just slavery.

What about the holocaust? Is it not of any importance? How about Apartheid? What about the hundreds of thousands murdered by the English, Portugese, Italian, Spanish, German, Dutch and French colonial powers? Are they not of any importance? If someones discriminates according to anything apart from slavery, is it not just as offensive?

True he's not new to Europe, and I agree he shouldn't have said it.
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:09
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However, these terms don't carry the baggage of centuries of subjugation, slavery and sub-human treatment, so that's probably the difference.
Right, but the problem is (correct me if I'm wrong) that Evra has never suffered subjugation, slavery or sub-human treatment. He's an overpaid sportsman. It's a bit like me crying racist every time someone calls me a paddy (I'm Irish) because my ancestors suffered greatly in the famine and under British rule blah blah. Well b****x to that. Racism of course still exists, but will never be stamped out. So it's all about context. What Suarez said was not right, and was evidentally racist. But the reaction has been over the top, elevating this private spat into almost one of the worst incidents in British football history.
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you are just being silly now. 3 of those players are retired. and people are hated because they are bald or ugly??
Wouldnt surprise me as liverpool werent responsible for Heysel, Hillsbrough, Suarez or generally anything ever..
Oh My God. Did you really bring up Heysel & Hillsbrough? Now you're crossing the line. Do you have any clue how many people died? Do you think it's something to joke about?

LFC has always fought for the disclosure of the govt's reports on Hillsbrough and fought for it's supporters that died.

Only a Manc can joke about such a thing. DISGUSTING.
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:16
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What I still fail to understand is, if the evidence is so clear cut, why did the panel take so long to come to a decision? Is there audio/video evidence to show Suarez said negro seven times, or is this based on Evra's testimony?
Still shocked that Evra has not been punished, he really is a horrible little shite, just ask Domenech.
Yes Yes Yes.

I come from a country whose government is very corrupt and our families suffer because of it. It exists the world over. The FA proved it. Forget about the FA, they're little fish, look at Blatter and the FIFA.
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:24
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Oh My God. Did you really bring up Heysel & Hillsbrough? Now you're crossing the line. Do you have any clue how many people died? Do you think it's something to joke about?

LFC has always fought for the disclosure of the govt's reports on Hillsbrough and fought for it's supporters that died.

Only a Manc can joke about such a thing. DISGUSTING.
whos joking? the word hillsborough pops up and all logic dissapears

i pointed out that liverpool have never admitted responsibility for any of these things and certainly have never apologized.. even for Heysel.
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Old 04.01.2012, 16:37
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whos joking? the word hillsborough pops up and all logic dissapears

i pointed out that liverpool have never admitted responsibility for any of these things and certainly have never apologized.. even for Heysel.
What logic are you chatting about? Manc logic?

By mentioning Heysel & Hillsbrough, it shows exactly whats type of a person you are ... very sad.

Our fans were prosecuted for Heysel. It was not the clubs fault. It was a few fans.

And we were not at fault for Hillsbrough. Period.
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Sudaca - just google it and educate yourself.

So according to you, only if it's related to slavery, it is offensive!? You're having a laugh my friend. You're just being PC in the English world. There's A LOT more to dicscrimination, persecution, partialitiy, sectarianism and racism than just slavery.

What about the holocaust? Is it not of any importance? How about Apartheid? What about the hundreds of thousands murdered by the English, Portugese, Italian, Spanish, German, Dutch and French colonial powers? Are they not of any importance? If someones discriminates according to anything apart from slavery, is it not just as offensive?

True he's not new to Europe, and I agree he shouldn't have said it.
Whoa, that's English for stop a horse.

Please re-read my post! I was asking a genuine question about history that I thought you were in a position to answer for me. I could look up on google/wikip, but would they be a better source than a Latin American with first hand experience?

I was saying that 'Negro' is offensive because of the horrific past associated with it.

I would add that Chelsea fans hissing at Spurs fans is even more horrific because of the holocaust associations.

I was trying to find out from you WHY 'Sudaca' is so offensive, not trying to undermine the severity of pejoritive terms not based on slavery.
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Right, but the problem is (correct me if I'm wrong) that Evra has never suffered subjugation, slavery or sub-human treatment. He's an overpaid sportsman. It's a bit like me crying racist every time someone calls me a paddy (I'm Irish) because my ancestors suffered greatly in the famine and under British rule blah blah. Well b****x to that. Racism of course still exists, but will never be stamped out. So it's all about context. What Suarez said was not right, and was evidentally racist. But the reaction has been over the top, elevating this private spat into almost one of the worst incidents in British football history.
I see what you are saying, and it is a very valid point. However as brutal as the British occupation of Ireland was, in the British national psyche, it doesn't rank up there with slavery.

Make of that what you will.
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Re: Premier LEAGUE 2011/12

I am really struggling to understand what is it that some people don't get.

Is he racist or not ? This is irrelevant to this judgement and is not what this is about. Nor is it about what is acceptable in Uruguay, Spain, France or Holland etc... It's about about the English football league and the FA rules on Racism. In the UK that language is considered Racist and therefore it is not acceptable. THat is what this is about. There is a whole mandate about kicking Racism out of sport in the UK and the PFA are signed up to it( That includes Saurez! ).

Dalglish, Commoli & Kuyt all contradicted Suarez's own explanation and version of events.

Would it be any easier if you read this from a Liverpool source... Probably not because some people just want play the liverpool victim card and muddy the water with non case relevant topics

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01...olli-kuyt.html

RE: Suduca. Again, The FA were responding to a complaint from Evra, not Suarez. If Evra did use the word Suduca(Which is not clear at all) and If liverpool can find 1 reliable witness who is not contradicting saurez, then they are entitled to raise a complaint....yet that haven't... That's not a conspiracy against Liverpool by the FA but the inaction of your own club...You can only ask them why they felt there was no case !
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whos joking? the word hillsborough pops up and all logic dissapears

i pointed out that liverpool have never admitted responsibility for any of these things and certainly have never apologized.. even for Heysel.
Why are you bringing Hillsborough and Heysel into this?
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Why are you bringing Hillsborough and Heysel into this?
ok , forget i said it. i mentioned them.. i didnt say anything untoward about them though.

it was in response to the slurs on man utd ex players and suggesting alex ferguson had something to do with suarez being found guilty, again why bring this up`?
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ok , forget i said it. i mentioned them.. i didnt say anything untoward about them though.

it was in response to the slurs on man utd ex players and suggesting alex ferguson had something to do with suarez being found guilty, again why bring this up`?
Sorry that doesn't answer anything. Heysel, Liverpool have done more than apologise for. Hillborough was not Liverpool's fault, that has been proven in a court of law, are you challenging that now?
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Sorry that doesn't answer anything. Heysel, Liverpool have done more than apologise for. Hillborough was not Liverpool's fault, that has been proven in a court of law, are you challenging that now?
where are you reading this things? i never said it was anyones fault..

re Heysel.. can you tell me exactly what they have done that is "more than apologise"?
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where are you reading this things? i never said it was anyones fault..

re Heysel.. can you tell me exactly what they have done that is "more than apologise"?
Juve v Liverpool at Anfield!
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I started this thread to talk abou the EPL it has since been taken over by a sad Scum supporter. I apologise for this!
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you mean 20 years after scores of people were killed, some supporters held up some pieces of paper saying friendship?? not done officially not sorry not really much to be honest. i really despair sometimes.

imagine if this had been the other way round
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you mean 20 years after scores of people were killed, some supporters held up some pieces of paper saying friendship?? not done officially not sorry not really much to be honest. i really despair sometimes.
Have you ever been to Old Toilet? sorry Trafford?

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Re: Premier LEAGUE 2011/12

Guys, can we quit the petty frigging slanging match please? It's pretty juvenile.
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