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Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

Not sure how well received this thread will be, who cares about England on the forum from a football perspective I don't know.

But, Roy, the recently appointed England manager that few expected, has recently named his squad for the European championships.

Expectation has been low amongst the fans for sometime now, after the last world cup the impression is it has finally sunk in amongst the core fan base that we are very mediocre at best.

This brought about an expectation of transition, giving up on the "Golden Generation" as it was referred, and perhaps doing a Germany, giving youth a chance to excel, and build towards the 2014 world cup.

My opinion is Roy had a chance to take a gamble, a gamble most would have agreed with, and would of seen less pressure on him and the team by opting for a more youthful set-up.

Instead, we see the same familiar faces and surprise inclusions such as Carrol, Downing and Robert Green and no Carrick? jeeez! Half of which wont be around come the next tournament or havent even played well all season, but are household names as it were.

England squad for Euro 2012:
Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Man City), Rob Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)
Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)
Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Man City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Man City)
Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)
Standby players: Jack Butland (Birmingham City), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea).
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

Well received - we love footbal! . . well I do anyway.
I do agree with some of what you have said - our expectations are generally higher than what is realistically possible.
For me though - I would never bet against England and still maintain that potentially we could beat most teams. The problem is of course, that too many players rarely play up to their potential when it matters.

To be fair - there are probably quite a few young England players prepapring for team GB in the olympics and so MAY not be available.

However, from that squad, you have to say that Joe Hart is the best keeper in the country.
I would definitely pick the following:
Glen Johnson
Garry Cahill (is going to be the next John Terry, hopefully without the scandal of course!).
Theo Walcott
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Gareth Barry
Frank Lampard (still good enough)
Wayne Rooney
Scott Parker . . . mmmm . . yeh okay.
Daniel Sturridge
Adam Johnson.
Oh, and maybe a few Nottignahm Forest players . . doh . . strike that.

The rest are either past it or just not good enough in my humble opinion.

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Not sure how well received this thread will be, who cares about England on the forum from a football perspective I don't know.

But, Roy, the recently appointed England manager that few expected, has recently named his squad for the European championships.

Expectation has been low amongst the fans for sometime now, after the last world cup the impression is it has finally sunk in amongst the core fan base that we are very mediocre at best.

This brought about an expectation of transition, giving up on the "Golden Generation" as it was referred, and perhaps doing a Germany, giving youth a chance to excel, and build towards the 2014 world cup.

My opinion is Roy had a chance to take a gamble, a gamble most would have agreed with, and would of seen less pressure on him and the team by opting for a more youthful set-up.

Instead, we see the same familiar faces and surprise inclusions such as Carrol, Downing and Robert Green and no Carrick? jeeez! Half of which wont be around come the next tournament or havent even played well all season, but are household names as it were.

England squad for Euro 2012:
Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Man City), Rob Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)
Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)
Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Man City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Man City)
Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)
Standby players: Jack Butland (Birmingham City), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea).
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

It is a dull squad, was really hoping Terry, Fat Lampard and Gerrard would be in the bin.....but for me the big worry is that Scott Parker is currently injured and his backup is, Jordan Henderson.

I have often wondered how many midfielders are better than Henderson and I reckon it is probably a good 9 or 10 million, given the relative population of the England.
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Frank Lampard (still good enough)

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Not sure how well received this thread will be, who cares about England on the forum from a football perspective I don't know.

But, Roy, the recently appointed England manager that few expected, has recently named his squad for the European championships.

Expectation has been low amongst the fans for sometime now, after the last world cup the impression is it has finally sunk in amongst the core fan base that we are very mediocre at best.

This brought about an expectation of transition, giving up on the "Golden Generation" as it was referred, and perhaps doing a Germany, giving youth a chance to excel, and build towards the 2014 world cup.

My opinion is Roy had a chance to take a gamble, a gamble most would have agreed with, and would of seen less pressure on him and the team by opting for a more youthful set-up.

Instead, we see the same familiar faces and surprise inclusions such as Carrol, Downing and Robert Green and no Carrick? jeeez! Half of which wont be around come the next tournament or havent even played well all season, but are household names as it were.

England squad for Euro 2012:
Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Man City), Rob Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)
Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)
Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Man City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Man City)
Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)
Standby players: Jack Butland (Birmingham City), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea).
You see, I told you you wouldn't give him a chance!
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

I think the squad's good, my only quibbles are that I would have taken Crouch and kicked out the racist thug
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

I would preferred Lamps to have been binned too, likewise Gerrard and Terry.

At best, they should all be on bench as back up. None of them will be around at World Cup so why are we not binning them now, when they are beyond peak, had poor seasons, and done nothing for last 3 tournaments.
At best, Gerrard deserves to remain, on late season form, and the fact he has carried Liverpool for last 5 years.

How Carrick, the most consistent midfielder all season, and most international suited with his calm, patient, ball retaining approach is not in the squad let alone back up beggars belief.
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I like Carrick but I wonder if mentally he is a big game player. btw I am not suggesting lamps or stevie g are any good coz they've failed too many times.
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

Why all the negativity? I think he's done the best with what he's got available. Why not look at the positives? England have got a defence with its foundation in the Chelsea team that beat the best team in the world over two legs. There's plenty of pace out wide and solid players at the centre of midfield.

You have to remember as well, some of the young players that were being groomed for the England team are injured and I'm sure there wouldn't be such an outcry if Walker, Rodwell or Wilshere were fit and included in the squad (which I'm certain they would be).

For what it's worth my starting 11 vs France would be:

Hart / Johnson Cahill Terry Cole / Jones Parker / Walcott Gerrard Young / Carroll.

I reckon that team would give anyone in the competition a good game.
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General, he will get full credit if he gets out the group with this lot.

It just lacks imagination, courage, and progression. Wheres the future planning in this squad?
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I agree Loz about the negativity but you have to rememeber that Jordan is a big Harry fan! Your team is not bad except for Carroll whom I don't rate
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I agree Loz about the negativity but you have to rememeber that Jordan is a big Harry fan! Your team is not bad except for Carroll whom I don't rate
This is not the Harry factor.

Its just a very poor squad selection with little imagination with building for future, which is what we need after the WC 2010 and prior with this mob, and he's picked virtually the same old faces, but thrown in a few players who have been shite all season, and neglected many of the players who have performed very well all season.

Its bizarre.
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Re: Roy fits the mould....what a squad...NOT!

Really disappointing squad, the one championships we've headed into without the ridiculous build up from the media, he really had a chance to try something new, not just follow suit with every recent manager before him and pick guys just because of their name.

The likes of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard I feel even with experience are past their best and maybe would have taken 1 out the 3 for presence alone. Lescott, Barry, Downing, Milner are all grossly over paid, over rated footballers, there must be younger, hungrier players out there to fill these gaps.

I would even have considered the likes of Leon Britton, best passing stats in the world this season, better than both Xavi and Iniesta, and that's while playing for Swansea! Granted he's not exactly young, but I would bet 10chf he would relish the opportunity more than Barry! For the life of me I can't understand why Micah Richards isn't in the squad, miles better than Johnson, and desperate to play for England!

No England fan in their right mind can believe we've got any chance of winning it (until we win our first couple of games that is), so one thing Woy could of done was put his balls on the table, taken a chance, knowing there was no chance of a massive backlash from the media and public alike if it all went horribly wrong.

All he's done with this squad is left himself open to be compared to, and judge like all the other idiots before him.

Rant over.......
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This is not the Harry factor.

Its just a very poor squad selection with little imagination with building for future, which is what we need after the WC 2010 and prior with this mob, and he's picked virtually the same old faces, but thrown in a few players who have been shite all season, and neglected many of the players who have performed very well all season.

Its bizarre.
To be fair Roy didn't have a lot to pick from...it is a squad full of sh1t but who else was there`?
Grant Holt, Carrick, Scholes....not the best picks either...although I am of the opinion that almost anyone would have been a better choice than Terry, Lampard and Gerrard.

Edit: Micah Richards hasn't been picked by any England manager...his positional play is terrible but then so is Glen Johnsons. I guess there must be some behind the scenes reason for him not getting picked.
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who else is there, jordan? who would you have picked instead?
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Spot on Sherer4, you arrived at my point exactly how I intended, just better put!
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Good to see Ferdinand out - never rated him higher than average at best.

Good to see Cahill, Parker and Carroll. Gerrard to be expected and will probably be skipper.
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Gk: Hart, Foster, Carson
DF: Johnson, Richards, Jones, Rio, Cahill, Cole, Baines, Jagielka
MF: Parker, Scholes, Ox-Cham, Carrick, Walcott, Gerrard, Lennon, Young
ST: Rooney, Sturridge, Crouch, Wellbeck
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Good to see Ferdinand out - never rated him higher than average at best.

Good to see Cahill, Parker and Carroll. Gerrard to be expected and will probably be skipper.
Ferdinand, whilst injury prone of late, is the best central defender England have had for near the last decade.
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