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Sorry man, too much speculation. The speedendurance guy gives a velly interdasting analysis, but 100m and 40yd are completely different. Let's not forget that Bolt is actually training for the 100m and Primetime was actually training for the 40yd - the only fair comparison is to have both run the same race in close to the same conditions. I agree it would get close if we had a football player like Chris Johnson train for it (and get on similar doping cycles, lolwut) as Bolt, but it's not a slam dunk.

You are right that our top athletes don't compete in track cause there's no money in it. And for Bolt to claim the title of "greatest athlete" is ludicrous, with this I also agree. He's a one trick pony, but he's entertaining as hell and is good for the TV.

For my money, Bo Jackson was the greatest. His combination of speed, quickness, agility, size, and strength is something we only see once in a lifetime.



Everyone knows Usain Bolt, but he's dirt poor compared to the top athletes in American football, baseball, and basketball. Sorry, there's no money in track and field compared to other sports, so our best athletes don't give a chit about it. In fact, often you see one trick pony track athletes trying to cross over into American football.
Who is Bo Jackson so good never heard the name? Outside the USA he is an unknown so how you call that the best athlete is beyond me.
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Old 11.08.2012, 10:12
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Who is Bo Jackson so good never heard the name? Outside the USA he is an unknown so how you call that the best athlete is beyond me.
Apart from the biggest logic fail EVER ("I haven't heard of him therefore he can't run fast"), sorry to disappoint but I'm a Brit living in Switzerland and I've heard of him.

Zuger is still talking sh*te though when he says that there are lots of people who can run 100m and 200m faster than Bolt in the NFL. Thats speculation, not fact.

The whole argument is tired and trivial. How can you compare a decathlete to a sprinter to a boxer to a cyclist. They are the best at what they do. Trying to compare across sports or even across generations is meaningless.

Re Bolt - I think he is charismatic and self-confident, not arrogant especially. The other wannabes who try and do the prancing just look stupid, like little boys trying on their dads shoes. He is like Ali - brilliant, confident and charismatic - and sport is better with him than without. If I were as talented and good looking as him, I'd be a much bigger pain in the hole than he is
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Old 11.08.2012, 10:18
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Re Bolt - I think he is charismatic and self-confident, not arrogant especially. The other wannabes who try and do the prancing just look stupid, like little boys trying on their dads shoes. He is like Ali - brilliant, confident and charismatic - and sport is better with him than without. If I were as talented and good looking as him, I'd be a much bigger pain in the hole than he is
Totally agree so what if Bolt makes a show he comes form a location where sport funding is low and has shown the rest of the world including USA how to run 100 and 200 m and i confident no americans can beat him so no point making at they can.
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

I wish I had 4 hands so that I could give this thread 4 thumbs up. the dude runs fast in a straight line. I'm quite sure that this was impressive 2,000 years ago, but it will never compare in my mind to the men and women who play skill sports and who have to run fast while dodging oncoming defenders, etc.

btw, if he is truly the "greatest athlete ever", for sure he'll have no problem whatsoever making the cut with Man U, right?
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Well if you havent heard of Bo Jackson thats fine.

But since we are on the subject of track athletes, you must have heard of Roger Bannister, right????? You know, the most important distance athlete ever.

No? You havent?

That just proves my point that Bolt has 15min of fame. Most track athletes do. He will always be famous in Jamaica. But I remember that really fast Canadian guy a few years back. I dont remember his name. But he exists.

Americans have no clue the name of good fussballspielers in Europe (or anywhere else in the world), or rugby players in Australia. Does that mean they arent world class athletes?

Of course Bolt is doping. Anyone with a brain, who has ran track and field, knows you cant retain that muscle mass while running a track training ladder 6 days a week. No matter how much you lift weights.

But best athlete ever? Taking coordination, agility, endurance (72 game season), etc etc into consideration, I just think he is all media hype right now. In 5 years sports fans in Oz will remember the best rugby athletes from today, and Latin Americans will remember their footballers, and the US will still be talking about Kevin Durant or LeBron James. No one will be talking about Bolt.
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But since we are on the subject of track athletes, you must have heard of Roger Bannister, right????? You know, the most important distance athlete ever.

In 5 years sports fans in Oz will remember the best rugby athletes from today, and Latin Americans will remember their footballers, and the US will still be talking about Kevin Durant or LeBron James. No one will be talking about Bolt.
Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Jesse Owens, Tommy Smith - heard of those guys?
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They talk about them every four years or so...... When the Olympics are on.

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Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Jesse Owens, Tommy Smith - heard of those guys?
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Americans have no clue the name of good fussballspielers in Europe (or anywhere else in the world), or rugby players in Australia. Does that mean they arent world class athletes?
But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
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But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
You think Athletics isnt global?
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Old 11.08.2012, 13:10
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But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
no, it's like someone said earlier, it's tough to make comparisons. Even within football you'd have to compare between positions - is a striker who scores a shitload of goals a better athlete than a goalkeeper who makes acrobatic save after acrobatic save? Or a midfielder who dominates the game with strength, savvy, and endurance?

I guess the whole point of OPs thread is to say that Usain Bolt should STFU about being the greatest athlete ever, and I agree with that - most everyone agrees that being the best at running fast in a straight line isn't the ultimate test of athleticism.
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

If it's an American you're looking for, who has dominated and changed the face of his chosen international sport, and could possibly claim the "best athlete ever". Google "Kelly Slater" and look at his stats.
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You think Athletics isnt global?
There are much more people playing football on a competitive level. But certainly, compared to american football, athletics is a lot more global

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no, it's like someone said earlier, it's tough to make comparisons. Even within football you'd have to compare between positions - is a striker who scores a shitload of goals a better athlete than a goalkeeper who makes acrobatic save after acrobatic save? Or a midfielder who dominates the game with strength, savvy, and endurance?
But how would the americans satisfy their need to find the bestestest thingy, person, building etc. if you start to thinking like that?

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I guess the whole point of OPs thread is to say that Usain Bolt should STFU about being the greatest athlete ever, and I agree with that -
Me too.
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But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
What a load of trash! There are loads of sports out there that easily compare and are loads more difficult, cycling the Tour de France and any of the many cycling tours are loads ahead of football for a start. The greatest athlete doesnt need a global sport as many have said its a pointless discussion
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But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
Yeh, but it's a bit embarrassing. All that hugging, kissing and poncing about after a gaol.
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

Look, for me, this isn't a debate about who is the best athelete ever. It really isn't. That is a very, very silly debate. For a start, ever has a long time to go. It is about whether you dig Bolt.

And I have man love for Bolt. He is THE MAN of the moment. He's a showman and and athlete. He lights up the place. And he loves Man U. What's not to like?
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

Bolt is the greatest ever to run the 100 m and 200 m to have competed in this sport. This is FACT. He is the world record holder. Sure, within the world there might be faster men, but they are not competing in this event, so have never proved themselves.

Bo Jackson might be the best at what he did, which is not the 100 and 200. Speculating he could be faster is not possible, he never competed in the sport.

Greatest athlete ever? who said that? cannot determine this as different requirements are needed for different sports. My greatest is different to your greatest.

Ever heard of Don Bradman? Shane Warne? These guys could not run in a fit but where the best in their chosen sport discipline. Federer is arguably the greatest tennis player, how do you compare his skills with Bolt. Not possible, different measures and different skills.
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And he loves Man U. What's not to like?
Then you should sign him and leave Van Persie alone

Id be surprised if most of us haven't heard of Roger Bannister.

I think they tested athleticism in Australia of the 4 "football" codes, (Rugby league, rugby union, soccer, Aussie rules) and the Aussie rules guy game out on top. Always going to come down to the criteria and the sport you are training for.
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

Who called him the best athlete ever? What i read was that he called himself a living legend which is true.he's the first sprinter to defend the 100m and 200m title.he will be known in 10,15 years just as Carl Lewis and bannister are now.

As to who is the best athlete ever. that's impossible to quantify.how do you compare Ali, pele, bolt, federer, Jordan etc against each other? If one needs to take in account the complexity of the sport than surely that rules out nfl players as well no, seeing as they just run in predefined lines?

Personally i wouldn't call bolt arrogant though.he's definitely confident.but arrogant to me means he also thinks that he looks down on other people.the respect he shows Blake, the way he was encouraging the guy who came third and the way he interacts with the staff and crowd at the Olympics for me shows that he's a really nice guy.he's an entertainer and athletics is definitely better off with athletes like him.
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Re: Usain Bolt The Best Athlete Ever?

He's likely the greatest sprinter in history. But he's nowhere near the greatest athlete or the greatest Olympian. And why do we arbitrarily decide that speed is somehow more important than endurance? I think world record marathon times are a far more impressive feat, it just isn't as viewer friendly and no marathon winner still has the energy to strut around like a jackass and shoot pretend arrows or whatever after running 42km in just over 2 hours.

(Jim Thorpe was the greatest athlete of all time, by the way. Hope that clears things up!)
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But football would be the place to look for the best athlete ever, as it is the only truly global sport.
Footballers...athletes...PMSL. In a recent aerobic and power tests against other sports, they came 10th. Ie last.

You want true allround athletes...look to Heptathlon or something. All other sports are pretty one dimensional in comparison.

And there's a distinct US tint to the thread..you mean only the US produces the best athletes?
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