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Can we not just all be happy that England went out early?
Yes. Very happy.

Go All Blacks / Springboks
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Yes. Very happy.

Go All Blacks / Springboks
Looks like you have a slight problem, there. You're bound to be disappointed by Sunday.
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Yes. Very happy.

Go All Blacks / Springboks
And people always get indignant and surprised why we won't support THEIR team when we're not involved.
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Looks like you have a slight problem, there. You're bound to be disappointed by Sunday.
Not really.

Been a All Blacks/Springboks fan since I saw them play in 90's, when I was just a Kid, years before I was a teenager

And was ecstatic when Wilkinson dropped kicked Australia out in 2003.

Build an image about me on the 31st, will you
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And people always get indignant and surprised why we won't support THEIR team when we're not involved.
Comon !!! Was I the only 1 who laughed when Wilkinson said during an interivew

'' England has a home advantage, and that might help them to lift the WC ''
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Not really.

Been a All Blacks/Springboks fan since I saw them play in 90's, when I was just a Kid, years before I was a teenager

And was ecstatic when Wilkinson dropped kicked Australia out in 2003.

Build an image about me on the 31st, will you
Yes, er, my point was that the All Blacks and the Springboks are two separate teams, and they'll be playing each other in a knock-out match on Saturday, so by Sunday... oh, never mind.

OK, so, by Sunday, you're bound to be happy!
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Comon !!! Was I the only 1 who laughed when Wilkinson said during an interivew

'' England has a home advantage, and that might help them to lift the WC ''
That's a perfectly valid comment (note "might", not "will"). Home advantage counts for an awful lot in international rugby. Unfortunately we played like drains and our team selection and decision-making were abysmal.
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Don't get me wrong, it should have been another yellow card and thus a red.
In Ireland I find we're very quick to slate the rugby referees and I include myself in that, but it can be a very hard game to referee. And no matter what, the ref will definitely make mistakes. You just have to hope they even out over the course of the game but you also have to factor that into the game.
Ian McGeechan made a very good comment about the yellow card a Scot received at the weekend - he said that he would be extremely surprised if a ref would give a yellow to Rutchie McCaw for that and I agree with him. Certain teams have been on the receiving end of some extremely dubious decisions not just in recent years. Barnes reffed the Wales Ireland match this year in a crazy fashion - even the first half was completely inconsistent with the second , then you have the flying headbutt , then you have Sam Burgess getting away with a clothesline on Hooper which was surely a yellow. The Joubert final was the most blatant obvious example however i have ever seen - how World rugby could hope to get away with that is on the order of Bath and Saracens getting away with cheating their way to this season's premiership and getting the investigation indefinitely postponed.

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I'm also surprised that Nigel Owens hasn't been given one of the semis to referee, or are they keeping him for the final?
Far and away the best ref in it despite robbing Ireland of their first win against NZ. Not even close.

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I also don't think there is a gulf in class between northern and southern hemisphere rugby. I think realistically the ABs are still the best in the world and they have been for a long time. That hasn't changed. Sometimes they get beaten, usually in a close game and then they come back and slaughter whoever it was that beat them.
But South Africa only beat a very tired Wales team (who has a really tough group) and who were missing so many front line players, by 4 points. That's not a big gulf in class for me.
Aus beat Scotland by one point, due to a referee's mistake. Again this doesn't suggest a huge gulf and I would also say that by traditional scottish standards, going back further than 15 yrs, Scotland aren't great at the moment.
The AB's hammered Fra who were knackered from the week before and basically surrendered IMO and the Argies brought a great game against a tired Irish team missing 5 important players.
More or less I agree with you but I think Ireland would have won that game with Sean O'Brien on the field... small margins at this level.

Scotland on the other hand... they should be spitting blood.

Boks are pants and are only going to get pantsier due to local politics.

Aus have a brilliant coach and are the only team left in it who could take NZ.

Arg have more natural flair than anyone - full respect to them but no cash = no trophy.
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Everyone was shocked at that penalty. People for Scotland, people against Scotland.

Horrible decisions are part of the games, sometimes they just hurt more than similar other decisions.

I follow cricket, perhaps some of you have heard about it . There have been horrid decisions at key phase of important matches which changed the entire outcome of the event. Moving on was so difficult at times. I feel the pain.

P.S I was rooting for Scottish lads, as good as I was wearing tartar, sporran with a bagpipe in my hands
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Yes. Very happy.

Go All Blacks / Springboks
This is the attitude that has led to the rest of the home nations achieving absolutely nothing on the world stage in rugby. And they'll continue to do so as long as they think think that reaching the pinnacle of the sport is beating England every once in a while.


The majority of supporters at Twickenham on Sunday were English. And they got firmly behind the Scots, so much so that they were deafening boos for Foley's final kick. Now imagine that this match was England playing a SH team in either Cardiff, Dublin or Edinburgh...
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The majority of supporters at Twickenham on Sunday were English. And they got firmly behind the Scots, so much so that they were deafening boos for Foley's final kick. Now imagine that this match was England playing a SH team in either Cardiff, Dublin or Edinburgh...
Uhh ever travelled to Dublin for a 6N international ?? There is little to no booing and plenty of shushing if there is for any kicker out of respect.
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Uhh ever travelled to Dublin for a 6N international ?? There is little to no booing and plenty of shushing if there is for any kicker out of respect.
That's the same everywhere, twickenham included. Everyone was booing because they were so appalled at the decision to award that deciding penalty at the death. Supporters who in theory shouldn't care.
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This is the attitude that has led to the rest of the home nations achieving absolutely nothing on the world stage in rugby. And they'll continue to do so as long as they think think that reaching the pinnacle of the sport is beating England every once in a while.

This is nonsense.
People might boo England but that has nothing to do with how well the team plays in tournaments.
Personally I wouldn't boo England and I also don't regard Ireland beating England as some form of pinnacle. None of my Irish friends do either.

Now if you're English, you might be fed up with people from other countries not supporting your team but that has no bearing at all on how good or bad other home nation teams do.
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This is nonsense.
People might boo England but that has nothing to do with how well the team plays in tournaments.
Personally I wouldn't boo England and I also don't regard Ireland beating England as some form of pinnacle. None of my Irish friends do either.

Now if you're English, you might be fed up with people from other countries not supporting your team but that has no bearing at all on how good or bad other home nation teams do.
Agree completely , there is nothing special about England other than their club game has ruined the Heineken cup and their clubs are utterly and shamelessly corrupt and the RFU is doing nothing to discipline them.

England vs NZ in Dublin - Irish support England
England vs Arg in Dublin - Irish support Arg
England vs Aus in Dublin - most Irish would go for Eng
England vs SA in Dublin - most Irish would go for Eng

same as most English at the Irish games supported Romania and Canada in this RWC.

Sickening English arrogance really.
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I think you've gone off on a tangent to be honest in you first paragraph.

I would agree about how humble the English team and Lancaster have been. Hats off to them for that.
(Others might say they have much to be humble about.... Just kidding on that one)

It wasn't said by me but I think the term arrogance might have been in reference to an English fan assuming that the be all and end all for fans of other home nations is a victory over England. Your original hypothesis was way out.

In the 6 nations, the importance of victory over England depends on the state of the championship. If Ire beat England in Dublin but then have to play Wales in Cardiff, that victory is just one game, albeit a local derby.
But if Ireland beat England to secure the grand slam, that victory takes on a different significance, as it would also if the roles were reversed.
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Also in terms of playing numbers in Ireland, Gordon Darcy, the former international (retired last year) makes reference to Ireland having
"a population of about 110 professional players playing consistently who are irish qualified...."
A link to the article is here; http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugb...rity-1.2399288
(His articles are very interesting but he's just starting this writing lark so he jumps from topic to topic a bit)

Anywho, I think he is referring to full time pros, i.e. the leinster, ulster, connaught and munster teams. Naturally there are all the amateurs playing too but when you look at the number of full time pros, I personally believe that the official stats include people that walk past rugby clubs on their way to work.
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Sickening English arrogance? There we go again. Who exactly is so "arrogant"?
Good man - a fair question - so now you'll have to digest a fair answer:

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Does wanting to win make you "arrogant"? Whilst there may be an argument that the English press are, I don't see how this can be said of anyone else. Lancaster is proabably the most humble coach in the tournament, and the players by and large are also very modest.
They were up until the world cup - George Ford a decent man was cast aside for an arse in the form of Owen Farrell - arguably should have been sent off for the high tackle on Sexton in the 2014 6N clash. Not alone that but a complete in the form of Callum Clark was selected in the squad - you know THAT Callum Clark who deliberately broke a prone player's arm on the floor ??? I'll grant u that I both like and admire Lancaster and Chris Robshaw but selections were absolutely rubbish.

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And are you seriously comparing the support of Romania and Canada, total minnows in the game and who have no chance, to that Australia or South Africa?
It's the same effect - support the underdog - even against your neighbours - I don't like it anymore than you do.

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Being an England rugby supporter, you get used the "anyone but England" brigade, and that every other country wants to see you lose. I can understand that history is partly to blame for this, or perhaps it's the culture but there's no modern rationale for it. Arrogance is just an excuse, and it's certainly not sporting.
No Welsh or Irish supporter gives a shit about England - because we genuinely rate ourselves above you - and the world rankings reflect that. So why would we ever have that attitude ???
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