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Guest 06.09.2020 22:19

Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
For the record... I have never been a Djokovich fan. He always seemed like a tennis robot from the planet Pluto to me. I am a Federer/Nadal fan :)

That said, I was watching this match tonight and thought his disqualification was unjustified. He did not mean to hit the ball boy or referee. He was frustrated!

He was on course to win this Grand Slam... Wow!

Guest 06.09.2020 22:21

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
It makes this tournament wide open and much more interesting! But, I am not sure I agree with the disqualification...

Talk to you later 06.09.2020 22:43

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
That lady acting as if she had been hit by a rocket launcher :) I was not watching the match, was she hit on the throat?



Guest 06.09.2020 22:53

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Yes...but as I watched it live, it was not intentional. And after seeing the official bending over in pain, Djokovich went right into action over to her.

Such a strange turn of events...

aSwissInTheUS 06.09.2020 23:07

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
Couldn't find anything better (turn your phone you imbicell :msnmad:)


Looks like he was selecting balls to serve and removed one from the pocket. While doing so he throw them back with the help of the racquet apparently hitting a lines person.

ATP rules can be found here: https://www.atptour.com/en/corporate/rulebook

Not sure if an immediate default was justified.

jacek 06.09.2020 23:13

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Unfortunately, whether intentional or not ... rule is the rule. You cannot just hit the balls around in anger knowing that tournament employees are present and could be on the receiving side. Luckily, the person didn’t get seriously injured by being hit in the throat. I’m 100% with the organizers on that one and it should serve as an example to all with no exceptions. It’s suppose to be a safe sport but not an anger management competition.

We were watching this match on TV and here’s an article:
US Open 2020: Novak Djokovic defaulted after hitting ball at line judge https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54051920

Guest 06.09.2020 23:20

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
You are right Jacek but his disqualification is unfortunate as his hit was not intentional but careless. Think this will serve as a reminder to all on the tour!

Just heard that Djokovich left the tournament without giving a press conference...

Guest 06.09.2020 23:45

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
USD 250,000 fine for not attending the Press Conference but that is a drop in the bucket for him.

I loved the English Eurosport commentator's thoughts: "And he/Djokovich wonders why he does not have the same fan base as Federer or Nada!"

I think both Federer and Nadal - were this to happen to them- would have attended the mandatory Press Conference.

Djokovich is a great player but maybe needs more coaching regarding PR...

That said, I watched this live, and in my view, his ball hit/strike was out of frustration and not intentional.

mikedragos 07.09.2020 00:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3214727)
Unfortunately, whether intentional or not ... rule is the rule.

Yes, and all animals at the farm are equal. Some are more equal than the others.

mikedragos 07.09.2020 00:18

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Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3214738)
USD 250,000 fine for not attending the Press Conference but that is a drop in the bucket for him.

I loved the English Eurosport commentator's thoughts: "And he/Djokovich wonders why he does not have the same fan base as Federer or Nada!"

I think both Federer and Nadal - were this to happen to them- would have attended the mandatory Press Conference.

Djokovich is a great player but maybe needs more coaching regarding PR...

That said, I watched this live, and in my view, his ball hit/strike was out of frustration and not intentional.

250,000 is not the fine for not attending press conference, this is his prize money won at the tournament thusfar. Not sure he really needs to care about the 'same fan base', nor that attending useless hypocritical press conferences would make any difference.

he made his statement loud enough by not attending another bs event after all that has happened. a good decision, in my view.

greenmount 07.09.2020 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3214708)
For the record... I have never been a Djokovich fan. He always seemed like a tennis robot from the planet Pluto to me. I am a Federer/Nadal fan :)

That said, I was watching this match tonight and thought his disqualification was unjustified. He did not mean to hit the ball boy or referee. He was frustrated!

He was on course to win this Grand Slam... Wow!

I still couldn't figure out if it was justified or not. I think Kyrgios got away with a lot more crap.

But, as a player coming from the Eastern block he should have known he won't get away with the same shit like everyone else. He seems composed most of the time, it's surprising he let himself go....

(btw, not a fan either, though I do appreciate him a lot)

Chuff 07.09.2020 09:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3214708)
For the record... I have never been a Djokovich fan. He always seemed like a tennis robot from the planet Pluto to me. I am a Federer/Nadal fan :)

That said, I was watching this match tonight and thought his disqualification was unjustified. He did not mean to hit the ball boy or referee. He was frustrated!

He was on course to win this Grand Slam... Wow!

He hit the ball, in anger, in a direction where he KNOWS there are people standing. He should of course have been disqualified, those are the rules that all players agree to abide by, and the same thing happened to Henman some time ago (https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/tennis/18477343). There is no excuse for such behaviour, it is a bad example and seeing someone get hit in the throat and falling to the floor is general distressing to see for the many millions of people watching.

He also did not stay for the mandatory press conference to explain himself which is also a very poor way to behave and not accept responsibility for what he did. Again, this is a real example of poor sportmanship and behaviour and setting a bad example to his many fans both young and old.

He is an amazing talent, but in combination with his anti-vax (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ination-tennis) and irresponsible COVID behavour (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/tenn...c1p3l9wksc0s3h has brought himself disgrace and is now one of my least favourite major sporting personalities.

mikedragos 07.09.2020 10:44

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Everywhere you hit the ball in the court someone is standing. How many referees were struck by an ace serve?

The rule is clear that in that it says should it be intentional. Otherwise, plain BS - any ace hitting anyone would lead to disqualification.

And yes, he was right to leave right after and don't attend to any further BS.

He is your least favorite sportsman? Well, I can only guess he couldn't care less about you. Keep your envy for yourself.

mikedragos 07.09.2020 10:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3214771)
But, as a player coming from the Eastern block he should have known he won't get away with the same shit like everyone else.

what does that mean? Eastern lives matter?

greenmount 07.09.2020 10:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedragos (Post 3214797)
what does that mean? Eastern lives matter?

Not for everyone. :D :p:rolleyes:

jacek 07.09.2020 10:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3214771)
I still couldn't figure out if it was justified or not. I think Kyrgios got away with a lot more crap.

But, as a player coming from the Eastern block he should have known he won't get away with the same shit like everyone else. He seems composed most of the time, it's surprising he let himself go....

(btw, not a fan either, though I do appreciate him a lot)

In fact, Kyrgios, who in terms of his on-court antics used to be much more in centre of attention than Djokovic, has given a damned response on Twitter to Novakís disqualification. I understand that the players can get tense, self critical and often times annoyed which leads to frequent foolish behavior like swearing, throwing and destroying rackets, but when it comes to negligent acts and physical harm involved then itís something else.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new...ectid=12362917

venetian 07.09.2020 10:52

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedragos (Post 3214795)
Everywhere you hit the ball in the court someone is standing. How many referees were struck by an ace serve?

When you serve you are supposed to throw a ball and the staff is at least paying attention, because that's how the game works.

Yesterday he was not supposed to throw a ball. He did it while it was forbidden and without looking. This is IMHO the difference with an ace serve.
Of course he didn't do it on purpose, still he created unnecessary and avoidable danger.

greenmount 07.09.2020 10:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3214800)
In fact, Kyrgios, who in terms of his on-court antics used to be much more in centre of attention than Djokovic, has given a damned response on Twitter to Novak’s disqualification. I understand that the players can get tense, self critical and often times annoyed which leads to frequent foolish behavior like swearing, throwing and destroying rackets, but when it comes to negligent acts and physical harm involved then it’s something else.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new...ectid=12362917

Lol, he does seem to forget how many times his vocal critics thought a suspension would have been in order for his behaviour on courts...hilarious.

jacek 07.09.2020 10:56

Re: Djokovich US Open Ouster/Disqualification?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3214778)
He hit the ball, in anger, in a direction where he KNOWS there are people standing. He should of course have been disqualified, those are the rules that all players agree to abide by, and the same thing happened to Henman some time ago (https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/tennis/18477343). There is no excuse for such behaviour, it is a bad example and seeing someone get hit in the throat and falling to the floor is general distressing to see for the many millions of people watching.

He also did not stay for the mandatory press conference to explain himself which is also a very poor way to behave and not accept responsibility for what he did. Again, this is a real example of poor sportmanship and behaviour and setting a bad example to his man fans both young and old.

He is an amazing talent, but in combination with his anti-vax (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ination-tennis) and irresponsible COVID behavour (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/tenn...c1p3l9wksc0s3h has brought himself disgrace and is now one of my least favourite major sporting personalities.

I like him as a player and sportsmanship personality. Most of the time he has had impeccable record bar some obvious theatricals when he simulates injuries then few minutes later comes back like thereís nothing wrong. Unnecessary shit he got himself into from sudden foolishness arising from the moment of frustration.

rainer_d 07.09.2020 11:04

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Is Federer really more disciplined or does he get away with more stuff because he\'s Federer?



I\'m inclined to believe he really is more disciplined.

That said, at this point Federer only plays what he wants, it\'s not like he needs the prize-money to keep the lights on and pay the credit-card debt.


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