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Is as lovely as before 18 27.27%
Beauty of the game has been sacrifised by tactics 12 18.18%
Teams are too cautious and players are nervous 10 15.15%
Is too much result oriented 4 6.06%
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Re: 2010 World Cup actual match discussion here (all matches)

Tiebreaker question:
In the unlikely case that Mexico comes back and scores a bunch on Uruguay winning the game and the group, then RSA and Uruguay would be tied on points. In that case would the fact that Uruguay beat RSA head to head immediately eliminate RSA? or would second place in the group be decided by goal differential regardless of their head to head result?
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Tiebreaker question:
In the unlikely case that Mexico comes back and scores a bunch on Uruguay winning the game and the group, then RSA and Uruguay would be tied on points. In that case would the fact that Uruguay beat RSA head to head immediately eliminate RSA? or would second place in the group be decided by goal differential regardless of their head to head result?
Tie-breaking criteria

greatest number of points in all group matches;
goal difference in all group matches;
greatest number of goals scored in all group matches;
greatest number of points in matches between tied teams;
goal difference in matches between tied teams;
greatest number of goals scored in matches between tied teams;
drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

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Old 22.06.2010, 17:57
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Thank God, we're going home...
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so next round will be mexico-argentina i guess...
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Old 22.06.2010, 18:06
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Ahh valiant effort by South Africa but still no pot of gold..
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Old 22.06.2010, 19:33
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Ah shame! The opportunity presented itself but the dream has been shattered soon after the French scored in the second half. Magic sound of vuvuzelas perished and perplexed Bafana Bafana wasn't able to turn the game around. So many chances to score but I guess it wasn't meant yo be. Proud of SA team which have come a long way and put the event together. Viva SA and God bless! Ayoba and yebo yes forever lekker spiel...
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Old 22.06.2010, 19:36
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French Flying Home From Cup In Disgrace

France's football team will fly home in disgrace on a second-class flight after their disastrous World Cup ended in defeat against South Africa.
Before a ball had even been kicked in the game, France's players were ordered to pack their bags, ready for the journey home.
A coach was booked to wait outside the stadium to take the players directly to the airport.
Their World Cup tournament ended with a 2-1 defeat against the hosts while Uruguay beat Mexico 1-0 in the other group match.
The results mean Mexico and Uruguay go through to the knockout stages.


Coach Raymond Domenech and striker Nicolas Anelka

France will not be allowed to return to their five-star hotel and face the ultimate humiliation of a second-class flight back to Paris today.
The French media reacted quickly to the defeat describing it "une catastrophe".
Disgruntled fans in Paris spoke to Sky's Alex Rossi about the elimination.
One furious supporter said: "I am happy this is the end for this team - I am happy this is finished for them."
Rossi added: "For the French team, they are coming home in disgrace and they will fly home in second class seats, such is the disgust at their behaviour."

France's elimination from the tournament was well-predicted after the players refused to train on Sunday.
The strike followed Chelsea star Nicolas Anelka being sent home from South Africa for insulting coach Raymond Domenech.
The French media has launched scathing attacks on the entire squad, with one newspaper describing the players as acting like "a bunch of seven-year-olds".
French sports minister Roselyne Bachelot said: "I told the players that they are perhaps no longer heroes for our children.



Bachelot: 'I told the players they'd tarnished the image of France.'

"It is the dreams of your partners, your friends, your supporters that you have broken. It is the image of France that you have tarnished."
Online newspaper Le Post revealed that the French Football Federation was so sure the team would lose their final match that it chartered the plane to fly them home three days ago.
It wrote: "They arrived travelling first class on a new Airbus A380. But they will be going back on an older Boeing 737, second class and with no special extras.
"The plane was booked three days ago, and will take off right after their match with South Africa should they be eliminated, without stopping off at their hotel."

Meanwhile, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and finance minister Christine Lagarde have described the squad's behaviour as "unacceptable".
Ms Lagarde told the players: "When you wear the French national colours you have added responsibilities.
"There are young children, young adolescents who practice the sport and look to you as an example."
Fast-food chain Quick has cancelled an ad campaign featuring Anelka and removed images of him from all advertising.

The Credit Agricole bank has also withdrawn its sponsorship in disgust.
French football bosses have blamed senior players William Gallas and Thierry Henry for plotting the team's World Cup mutiny.
Official Henri Monteil said: "Three or four are leaders taking the rest along with them. Some went to see Domenech. They were crying, saying sorry for what happened. They were young players.
"The leaders are players who'll never play in a World Cup again. Who? William Gallas, Eric Abidal and Thierry Henry, who is friends with Nicolas Anelka."

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Old 22.06.2010, 19:42
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Not sure if anyone picked up on the article in the FT today regarding the Swiss football style. Pretty funny for a FT article:


Setback for Swiss masters of defence

By Simon Kuper
Published: June 22 2010 03:00 | Last updated: June 22 2010 03:00

There was a solemn moment 67 minutes into the Swiss game against Chile in Port Elizabeth yesterday. Just as two Swiss defenders were trying to bore the Chilean forward Alexis Sanchez to sleep by a distant touchline, the Swiss set a new world record: they had gone 551 minutes, stretching back to 1994, without conceding a goal in a World Cup.
Soon afterwards Chile's Mark Gonzalez headed home the game's only goal, but the Swiss had made their point. A country never previously much interested in the world's game has built a football tradition, and it is earth-shatteringly tedious. If they can somehow squeak past Honduras on Friday, it could even take them into the second round.
Switzerland was long a country of downhill skiing, with a few semi-professional footballers who were ignored by the population at large. Stefan Szymanski, sports economist at Cass Business School in London, says that in only one decade before the 1980s did the Nati (as the national team is fondly nicknamed) win even 40 per cent of their matches: the 1940s, when most of their opponents had certain wellpublicised problems.
But from the 1980s, Swiss daily life was touched by globalisation. People immigrated from football countries and had children, known in Switzerland as " Secondos ", who preferred football to skiing. Ever more foreign television channels beamed foreign football over the Alps. Switzerland aped France by setting up "performance centres" for young footballers. Since 1990 Switzerland have won more than 55 per cent of their matches and occasionally crept into international tournaments.
There they are champions of the mixed zone, the place where ageing journalists scream questions at passing players wearing their headphones. The Swiss answer fluently in almost any language, like the football team of an excellent language school.
About a decade ago, the Swiss hit on their own unique style: keep 10 men behind the ball all the time (or nine if Valon Behrami is sent off for hitting a Chilean in the face, as happened yesterday) and kill the match. Never produce an unexpected pass or dribble or moment from the playground. The new national style reached even the highest Swiss mountaintops. Shortly before the last World Cup, Germany, on training camp in Switzerland, played against a team of Geneva teenagers. The kids held them scoreless for 25 minutes. The Swiss had created a football culture.
Euro 2008 was to have been their moment. Unfortunately, as hosts, they felt obliged to attack. They looked like sheep trying to dance hip-hop. The Nati exited in just four days, even faster than the Bafana Bafana have managed here.
The Swiss arrived in South Africa with a game-plan, which they are forever polishing in their headquarters in the Emerald Resort & Casino in Vanderbijlpark: bore the pants off 100m-plus television viewers every match. It worked perfectly in the opener against Spain. The 1-0 victory was - amid not very stiff competition - the highlight of Swiss football history. There was dancing on the streets of Zurich. One fan, Debora Tamborini, drove around the town of Dietikon hooting her horn in joy. Admittedly the police fined her - it was, after all, 6.45pm - but Ms Tamborini stood for a nation gone nuts.
Only a few dissident Swiss are now grappling with a discomfiting moral issue: the knowledge that the World Cup would be a better place without their team. Is it worth blighting the tournament in order to grind your way to the second round? But this is not a popular view in Zurich, where the police have officially proclaimed a "free night" with celebrations until dawn should Switzerland sneak through on Friday. If that happens, lock up your daughters.
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Old 22.06.2010, 19:45
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So their football is going the same way as their cycling
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The WORST thing was Domenech not wanting to shake hands with the SA coach...disgraceful!
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Old 22.06.2010, 20:18
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Thank God, we're going home...
Yeah, they should have stayed home in the first place don't you think?!
I feel even more sorry now for the Irish. It's them who should have been there anyway dammit!!!
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Old 22.06.2010, 20:32
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I do feel sorry for the french nation, though. Domenech refused to shake hands with South Africa's trainer Parreira. What an undignified way to end a World Cup!
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Old 22.06.2010, 20:34
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There are now tons of jokes about the infamous french team. I like this fake facebook of the french team. It's mainly in french but:
- you can see the 4 korean players suggesting they would play for free
- how french team when visiting a township, played against a children team and lost 3:0 within 25minutes
- some photos of Gallas and Abidal training with crutches
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The swiss french speaking broadcaster is doing a great job on internet.
I'm following both games in parallel:
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Yoann Gourcuff, The French Wizard
  1. He disappears.
  2. The French team disappears.
  3. French football disappears.

Now, that's magic!!!
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Moving on to the England team - some recent news:

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Not sure if anyone picked up on the article in the FT today regarding the Swiss football style. Pretty funny for a FT article:


Setback for Swiss masters of defence
Good article, pretty much sums up my view of the "Nati". No attack, defense defense defense. Sure results matter (ask Italy) but its BORING! Hopefully they can produce a goal or two in the next game and prove me wrong.
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I do feel sorry for the french nation, though. Domenech refused to shake hands with South Africa's trainer Parreira. What an undignified way to end a World Cup!
TBH It seems to have become quite fashionable to criticise Domenech but I have heard a few of his interviews and he always makes perfect sense. He is not the "crazy guy" the english press seem to depict.

There must be a reason for him refusing to shake Parreira's hand. Without knowing what Parreira did I don't think it is fair to judge Domenech's reaction.
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TBH It seems to have become quite fashionable to criticise Domenech but I have heard a few of his interviews and he always makes perfect sense. He is not the "crazy guy" the english press seem to depict.

There must be a reason for him refusing to shake Parreira's hand. Without knowing what Parreira did I don't think it is fair to judge Domenech's reaction.
Well, what do I for example really know about Mr Domenech. Almost nothing really, EXCEPT, and this from the French media, that the man, for whatever reasons, is extremely unpopular, both with the French public and the team members. He would have done a favour to his nation, to the team and not least to himself by quitting many months ago.
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N A country never previously much interested in the world's game has built a football tradition, and it is earth-shatteringly tedious. If they can somehow squeak past Honduras on Friday, it could even take them into the second round.
Switzerland was long a country of downhill skiing, with a few semi-professional footballers who were ignored by the population at large.
some points are wrong here.

> football started in Switzerland as mass sports in the 1920ies and had a far far wider basis than skiing
> football in Switzerland looks back on a tradition therefore of some 80 years, and that is more than many other nations
> those famous semi-professional footballers like
- Severino Minelli
- André & Max Abegglen
- Fritz Künzli
- Kiki Antenen
- Karl Elsener
- Roger Vonlanthen
- Tony Allemann
- Umberto Barberis
- Fredy Bickel (went to school with his son)
- Karl Odermatt
- René Botteron
- Kubilay Türkyilmaz
- Murat & Hakan Yakin
(the last three were/are full professionals)
were known to every child, and were definitely NOT ignored, not
at all
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> every village, since the 1920ies (the Swiss Football Assocation was established in 1895), has its own football club
> Switzerland was extremely interested in football for more than 80 years
> as outlined above, the football tradition has been existing for decades
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in short, your observations would have been correct before 1925


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Some years ago, we had two visitors from Prague here who in Zurich watched (live) a match of FC Prague against GC (Grasshoppers Club), one of the two top clubs in Zurich. GC won, and the two chaps were shocked. They asked me "but our national team which is almost identical to FC Prague won easily against your national team, and now THIS. Why is this possible ? " I dryly responded "because GC of course is better than the national team" . Another shock to them. I had to tell them that for people in Switzerland the Canton and City/town/village comes first and the union second. And the national team is a "coalition team" only congregating for some periods, while the actual clubs are the real thing.
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